From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <4daa63a3-c850-46b0-a923-4e3bea69d6b1@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com> References: <87ljxg6cge.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <1222334008.683100@arno.fh-trier.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222346452 16056 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2008 12:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:40:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 25 14:41:49 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiqA7-0006C9-Id for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kiq95-0002mn-Ef for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:40:35 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 60 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222344478 32045 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2008 12:07:58 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162722 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58064 Archived-At: On Sep 25, 3:01 am, "Juanma Barranquero" wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:09, Andreas Politz wrote= : > > OP:How do I do X ? > > XAH: Well, actually if emacs weren't so backwards, you could do Y. > > SOMEONE: Wait a minute, actually X isn't such a bad thing. > > XAH: You stupid fucking moron! > SOMEONE: ??? You seems to imply that i started to insult people first. No, i almost never did that in my over 17 years of using online forums. In fact, for several years maybe 2002 to 2007, i don't respond to insults. (not responding to drivels or personal attacks has been taken as a reason that accuses me of =E2=80=9Chit and run=E2=80=9D) If i appear rude, or swea= ring, that's because they insulted me, defamed me, infringed my right, or harassed me first. I have been to a lot arguments in newsgroups, and have written a lot of these phenomenon. See: http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html In newsgroups, since i started using it maybe in 1993, i've never posted anonymous, and never have requested my message be not archived. For everything i wrote about the quarrels in newsgroups, can be verified thru google's archive (though i've heard their archive is not perfectly complete). As i've indicated in another post in this thead... you can for example, now go do research on how the quarrel or insult started in this thread. (the url is here: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.hel= p/browse_frm/thread/bf2fae706a7424f0 ) You can check, for example, how the discussion about *scratch* buffer got started. Who started to be rude. What are my responses to each. If you are serious about this, then you might to spend a few hours to check the thread, all its rplies, who said what, how the conversation turned, write down notes and names as you read. Similarly, for any newsgroup flame involving me in gnu.emacs.help that has happend several times in the past few monhts, you can spend a few hours each and do a detailed research. I'm not the most perfect being, but i claim here that my posts are in general reasonable, without any insult, detailed. It is other people, who started insulting or slighting me that got the thread bad. They did that because they cannot tolerate or understand a different point of view. In my opinion, these people, collectively i called tech geekers, are ignorant of social knowledge in a very damaging degree... The other part of reason is than newsgroups consists of males, and males do pissing fights among themselves all their lives, in every social structure or organization, from newsgroups to intra-corp to political organizations. It's their nature. Wild flames wars in newsgroups is not just me. It is a common phenomenon, and happens just about every day, in every of the thousands of newsgroups. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84