From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <4FE67DF4.1010903@mousecar.com> References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: gebser@mousecar.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340505603 10476 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2012 02:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 02:40:03 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 24 04:40:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sick5-00078l-Me for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:40:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49530 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sick5-0005Po-BZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:40:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sick0-0005Ph-9M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sicjy-0003aY-H9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195]:50889) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sicjy-0003aU-BB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:54 -0400 Original-Received: from dellap.mousecar.net (dsl093-011-016.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.11.16]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mgbbr-1STxb83lVn-00Nc8N; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:39:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120424 Thunderbird/10.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:K5D2RCwbHD2g0nLsNP/2jhdk1guxeRtYsrvU35KjaLw e5EyGFmQOy5aRYYZRR/8ZVmSwdhr930+DJoNWs0Cd34j8OA1Pq sza8HXhOeI52ISw02ZdTl2TrbtySmUYlL/wII9skJTm2lCn/iI MKALUgzbCu057JiHnudujiPLTSifr+UQiGpwXU3gQSd3ZaK+Ur JNHTdT2GhtwUi1IE5s7BcAGDYJgAQtDqvYqHTkjEh9wcnCYVyK MPqV8BhXYN1irdaimXrEKImWxd8m3xuteBDgP4pckDnlQikYOp c3vWfT7RwzcB0nHidKw8moy/MU5GlcppYrP0gey2Q1pXDyJL34 l0iymZv0mutJ2J+RXhiJYNFOmlYcaGkLVssTlsKyT X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.208.4.195 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85406 Archived-At: On 06/23/2012 07:49 PM Dan Espen wrote: > Tom writes: > >> Bastien gnu.org> writes: >> >>> >>> The good news is that, whether Emacs users are a dying breed >>> or not, the only remedy to this hypothetical issue is to have >>> more Emacs developers. >>> >> >> But how to have more developers. I see 3 possibilites: >> >> 1. Motivate more users to be volunteer developers? Any idea how >> to do that? >> >> 2. Attracting more users. Volunteer developers are some small >> percent of the active user base, so if Emacs can be mode more >> attractive to users then the bigger user base will bring more >> volunteer developers too. The problem is in order to be more >> attractive Emacs needs new features which other editors/IDEs have >> and which make users to choose those editors/IDEs instead of >> Emacs, and to implement those more competitive features Emacs >> needs more developers. >> >> 3. Crowdfunding. If we don't have enough volunteer developers >> then we need to motivate developers with something else. For >> example, paying for their work. For this model to work there >> should be some public exposure of this idea, so potential >> developers know they can potentially make a living while >> contributing to Emacs. This kind of public exposure could be done >> by RMS who could mention this development model in every >> interview he gives. He has the voice which can reach lots of >> ears, including potential developer ears. > > 4. Have a whole bunch of missing functionality. 5. Make the elisp documentation and tutorials so easy and fun to learn that tons of people actually want to write code.