From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: MBR Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:08:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4E8B1340.3020708@arlsoft.com> References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E8A8B64.9090705@arlsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030400050409050703050302" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317737316 18702 80.91.229.12 (4 Oct 2011 14:08:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org To: suvayu ali Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 04 16:08:32 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fb-0008CK-R1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:08:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fa-0002Rm-MX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:08:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fQ-0002RU-LL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:08:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fP-0004Jn-5k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:08:20 -0400 Original-Received: from cario.hostforweb.net ([66.225.230.82]:42438) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fH-0004Ia-5D; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from c-24-61-86-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.61.86.182]:2816 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by cario.hostforweb.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RB5fE-0001gp-L2; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:08:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cario.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - arlsoft.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-Received-From: 66.225.230.82 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82447 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030400050409050703050302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suvayu, I don't think so. What Richard wrote was: "a change is being considered for ASCII DEL (on most keyboards, the Backspace key) and the Delete function key." ASCII DEL is 0x7F (decimal 127). As Richard says, on most keyboards that's the key whose keycap says "Backspace". It's usually on the far right of the keyboard in the row that contains the digits 1-9 and 0. He also refers to "the Delete function key". That's the key whose keycap says "Delete". That's usually somewhere near Insert, Home, End, Page Up, and Page Dn. I hardly ever use the Delete function key. But I use Backspace to delete 1 character backward all the time. I'd guess several times a minute. This change would mess up my typing bigtime! I'd guess that it would be a year or two before I stopped accidentally typing Backspace and expecting it to delete 1 character backward. Mark On 10/4/2011 3:33 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:28 AM, MBR wrote: >> If I understand the proposal correctly, the idea is to bind the function >> normally bound to C-w to the BACKSPACE key and the Delete key. Have I got >> that right? >> >> As things currently stand, there are three different kinds of delete >> functionality I use: delete 1 character backward, delete 1 character >> forward, and delete the marked region. For over 25 years I've been used to >> those functions being invoked by BACKSPACE, C-d, and C-w respectively. Yes, >> I could retrain myself, just as I had to do years ago when IBM put the CTRL >> key in the wrong place. But it will inevitably be a big pain. >> > I think you are misunderstanding the change. The proposal says if > there is an active region, pressing the DEL key would delete either > the active region (if present) or one character forward. You can still > use C-w instead, the difference being using DEL won't append the text > to the kill ring but C-w will. > > To try out this behaviour, you can use Emacs 24 pretest or the BZR > head. I hope this clears up the proposal. > --------------030400050409050703050302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suvayu,

I don't think so.  What Richard wrote was:

"a change is being considered for ASCII DEL (on most keyboards, the Backspace key) and the Delete function key."

ASCII DEL is 0x7F (decimal 127).  As Richard says, on most keyboards that's the key whose keycap says "Backspace".  It's usually on the far right of the keyboard in the row that contains the digits 1-9 and 0.  He also refers to "the Delete function key".  That's the key whose keycap says "Delete".  That's usually somewhere near Insert, Home, End, Page Up, and Page Dn.

I hardly ever use the Delete function key.  But I use Backspace to delete 1 character backward all the time.  I'd guess several times a minute.  This change would mess up my typing bigtime!  I'd guess that it would be a year or two before I stopped accidentally typing Backspace and expecting it to delete 1 character backward.
Mark

On 10/4/2011 3:33 AM, suvayu ali wrote: 
Hi Mark,

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:28 AM, MBR <mbr@arlsoft.com> wrote:

If I understand the proposal correctly, the idea is to bind the function


      

        
normally bound to C-w to the BACKSPACE key and the Delete key.  Have I got
that right?

As things currently stand, there are three different kinds of delete
functionality I use: delete 1 character backward, delete 1 character
forward, and delete the marked region.  For over 25 years I've been used to
those functions being invoked by BACKSPACE, C-d, and C-w respectively.  Yes,
I could retrain myself, just as I had to do years ago when IBM put the CTRL
key in the wrong place.  But it will inevitably be a big pain.



      

      
I think you are misunderstanding the change. The proposal says if
there is an active region, pressing the DEL key would delete either
the active region (if present) or one character forward. You can still
use C-w instead, the difference being using DEL won't append the text
to the kill ring but C-w will.

To try out this behaviour, you can use Emacs 24 pretest or the BZR
head. I hope this clears up the proposal.



    

  


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