From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 23:30:55 +0900 Message-ID: <4E2A3EE4-7390-4005-AB84-0D518319C585@icloud.com> References: <87sgtwboot.fsf@telefonica.net> <83muk4obfd.fsf@gnu.org> <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <04187AB9-AD7D-492D-A890-BCB01848370C@icloud.com> <20190511075712.GD29829@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="68512"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 11 16:32:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPT2u-000HgV-GJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 16:32:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59744 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPT2t-0005MU-GI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 10:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPT1m-0004gL-OL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 10:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPT1k-0000wg-Qr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 10:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-zteg10011401.me.com ([17.58.6.41]:56773) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPT1h-0000vS-6K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 10:31:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1557585059; bh=ExJBiq9WhkHGe/TASvbUQz/wcOx96aZk4jv++5Sb27I=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=PE1Xo2ByD9/4J2ZULtkHQF+6EmIxSuovKdgiBfO4sbptXlb3iLE4uNKCLdENBNxXt Z1Nzk4Z1oMh5YzqAY43xvbCr0z1TmoAafPm1Q68CvVcfZ4lRSFOHkpkRtaqTtBIzGK M2o4Hczi1Afxc5DNWcDejSMDX2/3CcFntRNXc+jmrbqe6IY+6nuA8KGO9BA6zp6baH mgp7jtDNr9tWyIQ63bwP8vGg/KW33u5f9AjEIyvHLCkPtNoHsXcudfeFFmaszd2j7v Q7dQAFYwcj8keCqtBt6Z6NODQ+UE9tfjg2/AQJJtbwNN2hVJOdeMGgMdccBk2idsZ5 aiVHrP8bHexzg== Original-Received: from [192.168.0.8] (unknown [1.230.108.64]) by pv50p00im-zteg10011401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 194F29011A5; Sat, 11 May 2019 14:30:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16E227) In-Reply-To: <20190511075712.GD29829@tuxteam.de> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-05-11_10:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=656 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1905110106 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 17.58.6.41 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120300 Archived-At: 2019. 5. 11. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 4:57, tomas@tuxteam.de =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 04:42:44PM +0900, =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 wro= te: >> I understand your points; but IMHO Elisp is not doing well in all kinds o= f aspects, Isn=E2=80=99t it?=CC=8A=CC=88 >=20 > (quoting myself): >=20 >>> What I don't like about this thread is that "fast" is being >>> treated as the only metrics (it isn't) >=20 > Accessibility/hackability: elisp is doing pretty well in this > one (and efficient compilation does put a burden on that). Javascript? Common Lisp? PyPy(Implementation of Python)? >> and as if it were a >>> metrics at all (it isn't either). >=20 > Show us the benchmarks. >=20 > Cheers > -- t