Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ sTeeL <mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com>:

> hi, all

> i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time,
> yesterday i occasionly searched on web and found a "23.0.0.50"
> version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch,

Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
the trunk.  That is good news.

> and it does not include any unicode support, does emacs-unicode-2
> branch stop developing?

No, I don't think so.

> And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for
> emacs-unicode-2 branch, any suggestion?

Just sit tight and wait.  The intention is to merge the
emacs-unicode-2 branch into the trunk as well, but such work is
nontrivial so it might take a while.  And before you ask, predicting
the timing of progress on free software is an essentially impossible
task.  It could happen next week, or it could take another year.
Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.

(I do not have inside information; I just happen to have been looking
at the emacs-devel archives lately.)

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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[sTeeL]

thanks!:)
hope it won't take too mush time before unicode and multi-tty 

merge togather, :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> writes:

> + sTeeL <mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com>:
>
>> hi, all
>
>> i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time,
>> yesterday i occasionly searched on web and found a "23.0.0.50"
>> version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch,
>
> Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
> the trunk.  That is good news.
>
>> and it does not include any unicode support, does emacs-unicode-2
>> branch stop developing?
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
>> And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for
>> emacs-unicode-2 branch, any suggestion?
>
> Just sit tight and wait.  The intention is to merge the
> emacs-unicode-2 branch into the trunk as well, but such work is
> nontrivial so it might take a while.  And before you ask, predicting
> the timing of progress on free software is an essentially impossible
> task.  It could happen next week, or it could take another year.
> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> (I do not have inside information; I just happen to have been looking
> at the emacs-devel archives lately.)
>
> -- 
> * Harald Hanche-Olsen     <URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/>
> - It is undesirable to believe a proposition
>   when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true.
>   -- Bertrand Russell
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:

> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.

No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

GNU Emacs 23.0.50 behaves badly on Mac OS X, not co-operating with  
ttys in *shell* buffer and producing a Carbon Emacs that crashes when  
choosing anything with the mouse.

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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[William Xu]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that? 

The branches really become a mess..

-- 
William

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

   Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

   >> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
   >> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
   >
   > No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

   You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that? 

I guess he talks about TRUNK (or HEAD) and unicode-2.

	Xavier
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 11:07 schrieb William Xu:

> Peter Dyballa writes:
>
>>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more  
>>> important
>>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>>
>> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.
>
> You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that?

It does not yet exist.

>
> The branches really become a mess..
>

Indeed! It seems not to be documented what this multi-tty feature is  
and what it might be good for. The question is whether the multi-tty  
patches can be integrated into the unicode-2 branch with reasonable  
effort. If it's possible and does not disturb the additions to  
Unicode Emacs (use of libfontconfig and libXft and use of modern  
OpenType fonts) then it's probably only a question of time when the  
multi-tty patches will have infiltrated Unicode Emacs.


Who needs the multi-tty feature? And what is it actually good for?

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moral development.  One expects them to obey the law because they  
know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged.
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Mark Plaksin]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Who needs the multi-tty feature? And what is it actually good for?

It gives screen-like functionality to Emacs.  You can have as many X-
and tty-based frames as you want.  It's great for connecting to an Emacs
instance that's already running.  I've been using it for years and love
it.

I start Emacs inside a screen session on my desktop at work.  Then I
start an X frame and use that when I'm at work.  When I'm at home I ssh
to my work desktop and connect to my running Emacs instance with
'emacsclient -t'.

Here's the main author's page about it:
http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html.en

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>:

> Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:
>
>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

Well, of course!  I had assumed that would go without saying.
But you cannot have both in a single running emacs image.
(If I'm wrong about /that/, I'll be damned ...)

-- 
* Harald Hanche-Olsen     <URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/>
- It is undesirable to believe a proposition
  when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true.
  -- Bertrand Russell

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

   + Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>:

   > Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:
   >
   >> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
   >> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
   >
   > No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

   Well, of course!  I had assumed that would go without saying.
   But you cannot have both in a single running emacs image.
   (If I'm wrong about /that/, I'll be damned ...)

This is possible given the fact unicode-2 is a branch that, I
guess, is synced against TRUNK. So it may be harder to do but it
is doable.

	Xavier
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:

> Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
> the trunk.  That is good news.

What is so good about it? Info-apropos returns nothing ...

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Greetings

   Pete

There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does  
not want merely because you think it would be good for him.
                                            -- Robert Heinlein

does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[sTeeL]

hi, all
i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time, yesterday i occasionly searched 

on web and found a "23.0.0.50" version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch, and it 

does not include any unicode support, does  emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for emacs-unicode-2 branch, any

suggestion? 

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sTeeL
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

Hi,

   on web and found a "23.0.0.50" version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch, and it 
   does not include any unicode support, does  emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

I guess that merging multi-tty first was the first step. Next
will be the inclusion of the unicode branch.

You'll have to wait till that merge happens (or try to extract a
patch from TRUNK by yourself).

	Xavier
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