From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.python-mode Subject: Re: python setup ? Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 18:57:46 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <49ff1e8a.0407560a.7f38.137e@mx.google.com> References: <200904280634.n3S6YctW009278@zogzog.maillard.mobi> <49F95274.4000801@easy-emacs.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241456336 22678 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2009 16:58:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: python-mode@python.org, Richard Riley , Xavier, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Barry Warsaw Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 18:58:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M11V0-0001MR-7D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:58:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51923 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M11Uz-0007xp-Rh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:58:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M11UM-0007jM-SQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M11UI-0007hn-Ec for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52315 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M11UI-0007hh-4f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:57:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:60596) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M11UC-0001HE-CT; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:57:48 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4211829fxm.42 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :organization:references:date:in-reply-to:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ORxP5veMn2/5dNgPtyUOegaHA61L9/YekBT+FwlkIF8=; b=YqgO+aJQadGvOko/EDK46H3dchTyBbGeQjIlassJOPUbD7STYm+6njgDeTpsHCw4wF GLyOZ3qQl9VyYP+9SrgPrDMA4v6CQbHgwHK9TjOmFYkUSbA3Vb9atVmxtgcEjPBS/2Oz shGRYn5dz5BQzer3Yqok9sYMDytpDyF9akuf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:date :in-reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lGUbzUXHEmKRbGSoKs0Ub95A1hmpbDZINJjQLmdyrzodHLd/xsiPTWVWtJG68Nq1hx UnceTTCBnCewPKFYDfr/XwIyFS5EuiZuQatHoSAzLnrxvvnFy0M1YdceFc48+04VvUao ArCOz6jGKyJy6dL5dgBX/rV0DEXcnFhiOAtPc= Original-Received: by 10.86.59.18 with SMTP id h18mr6119957fga.14.1241456266779; Mon, 04 May 2009 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm11238877fgg.8.2009.05.04.09.57.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 May 2009 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Barry Warsaw's message of "Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:24:46 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:64177 gmane.emacs.python-mode:291 Archived-At: Barry Warsaw writes: > On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:25 AM, Andreas R=C3=B6hler wrote: > >> With python-mode.el, people may have good reasons, to >> use it as it is - and me to leave it as it is. Thats >> fine with bazaar and other DVCs, we can do that. My >> branch doesn't hamper the origin and any further branch >> will not. Its just freedom to try and see. > > This is true, and experimentation a good thing in the short term. In=20= =20 > the long term though, a proliferation of branches just confuses people=20= =20 > because no one's sure which is the official branch. Our lives are=20=20 > more difficult too because of the python-mode.el/python.el split. > > So I encourage you to experiment and get user feedback. Old-timers=20=20 > (and remember, python-mode.el's been in widespread use for 15 years)=20=20 > will be wedded to their muscle memory, but if you introduce a user-=20 > visible change that people like, they can be made configurable with=20=20 > defaults providing the old behavior. Then it will be possible to=20=20 > merge your changes back into the official branch. If you modularize=20=20 > your changes, then the less controversial ones can get merged in sooner. > > -Barry > > IMO any new "obviously useful" features should be enabled by default. Old Timers should have no problem reverting to older configurations via settings. A point which generates much contention I know. As it is, Python set up is/was a minefield. I have a reasonable set up here fwiw, This includes pysmell completions for hippie expand and company-mode. http://richardriley.net/projects/emacs/dotprogramming#sec-1.3