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From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Kevin Rodgers <kevin.d.rodgers@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Emacs ignores modified state of "untitled" buffer
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:21:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <497A0D9B-8342-4222-BC60-EA77B3DCF95A@nf.mpg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <95F4903F7E4B48DAA566AF099AB10B11@us.oracle.com>

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Dear Drew,

On 28.05.2010, at 19:18, Drew Adams wrote:

[...]
> I would propose (and have proposed ;-)) simply `New File' as the menu item.  It
> is common nowadays to have a menu item `New' for creation when the object to be
> created is clear, and `New Foo' to make clear that it creates a foo object.  (I
> use `New File' and `New Directory' in my own code, `menu-bar+.el'.)
> 
> Whether we use `Visit' or `Open' for an existing whatever is not so important.
> What is important is to clearly distinguish the case of creation (`New').


in my reply to Kevin of May 26 the modified left-mode button in the toolbar was labelled "New Document (Org)" (we used the same label in the corresponding first entry of the "File" menu). I absolutely agree that the "New" part is essential.

Kevin's code conforms (probably not a coincidence) to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines:
http://www.devworld.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/XHIGMenus.html

I have had Windows users look at the Emacs version with the File New option and they said it was a significant improvement, immediately adding that, by the way, they had never heard of "visiting" a file (not surprising).

I believe that Xah Lee had these kind of changes in mind here: http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html

I do not agree with everything but he has a few points, I think.

Warm regards,
 Stefan
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-28 21:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19 14:52 Emacs ignores modified state of "untitled" buffer Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-19 15:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-19 20:34 ` Stephen Berman
2010-05-20 12:45 ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-20 13:29   ` Drew Adams
2010-05-20 14:00     ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-21  2:00       ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-21  2:06         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-21  1:56     ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-21  8:03       ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-21 13:17         ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-21 13:59           ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-21 14:11             ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-21 14:30               ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-21 17:15           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-21 20:49             ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-05-21 20:56               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-21 14:20       ` Drew Adams
2010-05-28 14:32         ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-05-28 17:18           ` Drew Adams
2010-05-28 21:21             ` Stefan Vollmar [this message]
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2.1275067137.32597.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2010-05-29  1:04             ` Tim X

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