From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:32:29 +0200 Message-ID: <488AC4FD.2020801@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87y73rzd9b.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87hcadqth3.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217053985 14852 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 06:33:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 08:33:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMdLm-0007V1-LI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:33:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59913 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMdKs-0007XN-On for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMdKa-0007XG-VB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMdKZ-0007X3-QQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60533 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMdKZ-0007X0-KS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:14519) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMdKZ-0005FC-S8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMdKY-0005EC-C1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:61359 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMdKV-0007ek-6m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:32:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87hcadqth3.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMdKV-0007ek-6m. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KMdKV-0007ek-6m 6d56fe5ab2419e23d3b36752f62105bd X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55953 Archived-At: Tim X wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> Tim X wrote: >>> Bastien writes: >>>> Those who say "Hey! The learning curve is too high." are those >>>> who don't really want/need Emacs. >>> Exactly. Well said. >> >> I thought Bastien was joking there. Maybe I was misunderstanding, but when >> people complains about the learning curve I believe they are mostly saying >> >> "Hey! The learning curve in Emacs is to high. It did >> not take that long at all to learn to do the same thing >> in the other programs I tried." >> > > I don't agree. My experience with people learning emacs isn't that the > learning curve is too steep for the things they do with other programs, > but rather that the learning curve is steep because there is so much > more functionality to learn. The basics of emacs don't really differ > that much from any other editor. I think the learning curve on Windows for Emacs is much steeper. There are much more details to consider. > For the record, I was agreeing with his point about concentrating on > extending functionality rather than worrying about terminology so > much. I agree to that point too. > I think the real source of issues regarding terminology is actually more > a reflection of laziness. It might be true in some cases, but please be careful when using such statements. The laziness may equally well be in your side in that you do not try to understand all details well enough when it comes to why some things matter.