From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:56:25 +0200 Message-ID: <48872A79.1000003@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <871w1k6d89.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <488719B1.7000807@gmail.com> <87ej5kixsw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216817849 1238 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 12:57:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Bastien Guerry Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 14:58:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLdv2-0003Ho-68 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:58:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40841 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdu8-0004uH-RL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:57:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdtR-0004U9-Qv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdtQ-0004Rh-0v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42233 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLdtP-0004RW-SD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:47699) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLdtP-0001PB-6W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:60605 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLdtN-00086y-5P; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:56:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87ej5kixsw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080723-0, 2008-07-23), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLdtN-00086y-5P. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KLdtN-00086y-5P 2830b7fe7281150c652530d82ecfbdfc X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55854 Archived-At: Bastien Guerry wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> Bastien wrote: >>> If Emacs implements a feature that no other editor implements >>> then the user is usually not fussy about the learning curve. >> Are you sure about that? What about if the learning time is so long that >> it outweight the benefits of the feature the user want? > > Then the user can just accuse himself of being lazy. ;-) > I don't say I'm sure about anything here, because we are talking about > very empirical matters. But I'm under this impression. Why not then consider the learning process? Why not try to be think creatively about all types of constraints the user may meet (and that matters here of course)? A note: For some people there is possibly a benefit with that Emacs is hard to learn. They may perhaps feel that they can master something. There is both good and bad things in that. > And it's not as if you could consider the Emacs-learning-curve > independantly of this-feature-learning-curve. For example, if someone > gets impressed by what Gnus can achieve, then learning Gnus and learning > Emacs overlap to a great extent. > > So if someone wants a feature and is ready to learn about it, I guess it > also mean he's ready to learn about Emacs in general. >