From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:44:49 +0200 Message-ID: <488719B1.7000807@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <871w1k6d89.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216813606 18398 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 11:46:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 13:47:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLcod-00075x-Dw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:47:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35754 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcnj-0002Gi-Uz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:46:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcmK-0001wU-Vf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcmJ-0001vy-Es for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38850 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcmJ-0001vq-4Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:55800) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLcmI-0003qN-LZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:60581 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLcmG-0003Ex-4F; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:45:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <871w1k6d89.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080722-1, 2008-07-22), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLcmG-0003Ex-4F. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KLcmG-0003Ex-4F 525057bee7ec1f40262b2a0c18eecf26 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55852 Archived-At: Bastien wrote: > "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > >> I worry about the people who simply leaves Emacs behind. > > The learning curve might be one problem. > The absence of some features the user want is another one. > > If Emacs implements a feature that no other editor implements > then the user is usually not fussy about the learning curve. Are you sure about that? What about if the learning time is so long that it outweight the benefits of the feature the user want? > So instead of always trying to lessen the difficulty of learning > Emacs, I think we should concentrate on features that users want > (like CEDET, Tabs, etc.) > > Those who say "Hey! The learning curve is too high." are those > who don't really want/need Emacs. >