From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:09:13 +0200 Message-ID: <48871159.7000707@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216811455 11360 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 11:10:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 13:11:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLcFw-0001bi-Ls for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:11:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59821 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcF3-0007z4-8Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:10:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcDh-0007MK-KK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:09:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcDf-0007Kt-7c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51653 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLcDf-0007Kg-08 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:40018) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLcDe-0005mF-LP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:59855 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLcDc-0006SJ-8X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:09:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080722-1, 2008-07-22), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLcDc-0006SJ-8X. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KLcDc-0006SJ-8X 95e9e137aaac783dacbf4abefc672701 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55848 Archived-At: Tim X wrote: >> Agreed. I don't like Xah Lee's proposals. But I think that he's right >> that Emacs' use of outdated terminology sometimes hampers adoption by >> new users. >> > so what? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what does it really > matter if new users have a bit of a learning curve? I think many have tried to explain why it matters. Please see the archive in Emacs Devel and other places. > While probably sounding > provocative, how many new uses who are not prepared to learn emacs > terminology are actually going to contribute anything? To understand this I think you have to consider psychology and how our brain works.