From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs vs. TextMate (not trying to start an editor war) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:45:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4875CC24.4070704@gmail.com> References: <8f5e7835-91fb-4f34-a913-f08f9762301b@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215679576 6040 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2008 08:46:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 10 10:47:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KGrnl-0003EN-Cp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:46:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53016 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGrmt-0005RF-PG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:46:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGrmS-0005R7-Cd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:45:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGrmQ-0005Ql-Me for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:45:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45356 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGrmQ-0005Qi-IZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:45:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:56727) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGrmQ-0001sq-4q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:45:34 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-59.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.59]:64337 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KGrmL-0001f4-6I; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:45:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <8f5e7835-91fb-4f34-a913-f08f9762301b@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080709-1, 2008-07-09), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.145.59 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KGrmL-0001f4-6I. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KGrmL-0001f4-6I a1f8505439891a4606f9c824ddbbff71 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55376 Archived-At: Xah wrote: > (of course emacs fans will tell you about several elisp code on the > web there that does multi modes... but the sheer fact to shop around, > install, get them to work is a pain and rather not trivial. > for those interested, see http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/MultipleModes > ) Xah, did you ever try nXhtml? In that case what where you missing? Did you have to "shop around"? > I think to have emacs work with today's web dev needs out of the box > is one of the most important need for emacs. > (see http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_of_elisp.html ) > > Even for working with pure static html pages, emacs's default html > mode is quite lacking. > The default html mode in emacs 22 (released in 2007), is at a level of > ~1998's commercial html editors. (of course emacs has redeeming > qualities, i.e. its elisp system and all, that keeps us still sticking > with emacs) > > Web development is my primary area of expertise. I have to work with > html mixed with css, javascript, php, perl a lot. Fortunately, lacking > proper syntax coloring isn't much problem. (after all, 99.99% web > pages out there are so badly formed)