From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Suppressing load messages Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <47D96C0E.8040409@gmail.com> References: <87tzjo3asi.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <87y78p2c4h.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> <87pru0rmai.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> <87hcfbsvdt.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> <871w6fmuyk.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> <877ig6imy2.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205431394 19366 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2008 18:03:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: brendan.halpin@ul.ie Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 13 19:03:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZrlX-0004bJ-Jq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:02:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZrky-0006nM-Kx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZrkf-0006n6-CW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZrkd-0006mg-CL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZrkd-0006md-6K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:59 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZrkc-0004kE-Aw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:58 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:60437 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZrka-0004Nv-8G; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:01:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <877ig6imy2.fsf@wivenhoe.staff8.ul.ie> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080313-0, 2008-03-13), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JZrka-0004Nv-8G. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1JZrka-0004Nv-8G a01ef9665dadb2abaef4b2e3271602a9 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:52374 Archived-At: Brendan Halpin wrote: > jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) writes: > >> Brendan Halpin writes: >> >>> jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) writes: >>> >>>> If you want behavior like Perl or Python (output to STDOUT), then you >>>> should figure out a way to divert STDERR from inside Emacs. I tried >>> That's not necessary, since the print family of commands will write to >>> STDOUT, and it is useful to be able to use message to write to STDERR. >> Huh? Then what do you want? Do you want to see only STDOUT on the >> screen? Do you want to capture it in a file? > > I think we're talking at cross purposes. What I'm moaning about is that > there is that even with "--script" there is a lot of unnecessary loading > going on, with the most visible effect of lots of chatter on STDERR. > Simply, that makes Emacs less useful for writing little self-executable > shell utilities. > > What would be nice would be to be able to write hash-bang utilities in > Emacs that behave like any other, with output going to STDOUT and > errors/warnings going to STDERR. We're not quite there yet but it > shouldn't be impossible. Maybe I should talk to the emacs-devel list. Please do. I have already taken up this issue, but no one has answered yet.