From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ralf Angeli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to redefine Parantheses? Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:58:35 +0200 Organization: nil Message-ID: <461a003b$0$23145$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> References: <57rjbgF2eksvjU1@mid.individual.net> <4618b74e$0$23142$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <46195b6b$0$23139$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> Reply-To: angeli@caeruleus.net NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176111606 30893 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2007 09:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:40:06 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 09 11:39:21 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HaqLH-0005M0-Oe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:39:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaqP5-0007dm-EK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:43:15 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newshub.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.ision.net!newsfeed2.easynews.net!ision!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.96 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JPjRp4WwiG88iDK4wxTZ3CxJhkA= Original-Lines: 44 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Apr 2007 10:58:35 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ab57e174.newsspool1.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=Dc>8H``5Vgn016@cHD@m; jic==]BZ:afn4Fo<]lROoRaFl8W>\BH3Yb; 5ONA1\RcQm392BQYIaSbiD\SojI5:1jm9fhb[bY82caRfenB?\j?3f Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:146898 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:42503 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii (2007-04-09) writes: >> From: Ralf Angeli >> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:15:23 +0200 >> >> >> No, the default syntax in Emacs has to be changed. >> > >> > ???? >> >> Well, the default syntax is obviously wrong since you cannot rely on >> guillemets being used parenthetical in a certain order. > > In many (most?) languages, the current syntax does make sense. I just looked at the csquotes LaTeX package which deals with quotation marks in different languages. The author made a survey about the use of quotation marks in different languages when he implemented the package. Here are results of using it with different language options: »danish« « french » »german« «german (swiss variant)» «italian» »swedish» So there is no clear indication of which variant is more common. In Swedish guillemets aren't even used parenthetical. I really don't understand why the default syntax in Emacs is paren syntax. Guillemets are quotation marks which are not consistently used in a parenthetical way, so using paren syntax is clearly a bug. And I don't understand why one does not simply give them punctuation syntax in order to get rid of the bug and stop this issue from popping up again and again. > Anyway, this kind of discussion doesn't belong here. I just tried to > help the OP to solve the immediate problem. Well, I tried so too. But I don't think is a customization issue but a bug in Emacs. -- Ralf