From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: keyboard for emacs? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: <45925A4A.3060407@speakeasy.net> References: <1167188207.954542.311960@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167219338 28348 80.91.229.10 (27 Dec 2006 11:35:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 27 12:35:36 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GzX4G-0005Sx-GC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:35:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzX4F-0004CM-JM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:35:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GzX43-0004CE-UL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GzX43-0004C2-8s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzX43-0004Bz-65 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [69.17.117.7] (helo=mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GzX42-0002BD-Ng for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 9826 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2006 11:35:17 -0000 Original-Received: from dsl093-011-017.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.0.27]) (gebser@[66.93.11.17]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Dec 2006 11:35:17 -0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061206) Original-To: Ryo , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <1167188207.954542.311960@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:39942 Archived-At: On 12/26/2006 09:56 PM somebody named Ryo wrote: > Hi > > Ronald wrote: >> Is today's keyboard suitable for using emacs? >> >> I saw an old one today on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vi. >> >> The layout is more suitable for vi and emacs. >> >> I doubt today's popular keyboard layouts is not mainly for programmers, >> especially UNIX programmers. >> >> Any good idea? > > I'm not sure if I understand your problem correctly, but . . . > 1) I think that the most common English keyboards which come with > DOS/V PCs are annoying if used with vi and emacs because the > ESC key is far above and the Ctrl key is far below. Even without any remapping of the keyboard, C-[ (i.e., Ctrl and '[' keys at the same time) = ESC. This functionality goes back to DOS v.1.0. So I almost never use ESC... only when one hand is holding a sandwich. > 2) There are keyboards with the Ctrl key to the left of the > "A" key and the ESC key to the left of the "1/!" key, > such as the one I use (Happy Hacking Keyboard). In the early days, *all* keyboards were like that... the CapsLock was in the same place it was on all typewriters (i.e., *not* next to the 'A' key). Conspiracy theory had it that M$ had a hand in moving the Ctrl key to the periphery in order to defeat its word processing rival, Wordstar (which made heavy use of the Ctrl key), and promote its own Word. > 3) It is possible to change key-layouts "software-wise". > For example, when I have to use the annoying PC keyboard, > I exchange Ctrl with Caps. I don't physically replace the > plastic pieces, but install a piece of software or make a > software arrangement so that the physical Caps key functions > as a Ctrl key. Right. I've always been able to find shareware for DOS/Windows to do this. On Linux there's a few ways-- already built into Linux-- to swap Ctrl and CapsLock. > > Regards, > Ryo > > _______________________________________________ > help-gnu-emacs mailing list > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs