From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: <453D019D.6060007@student.lu.se> References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161626147 15042 80.91.229.2 (23 Oct 2006 17:55:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 19:55:45 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc41F-0002as-Q4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:55:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc41F-00078I-EI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3zk-0006OZ-7j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:53:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3ze-0006K6-Pi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3ze-0006K1-GG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.76.149.212] (helo=ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc3ze-0001PB-Gy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-249-218-244.bredband.comhem.se ([83.249.218.244]:63785 helo=[192.168.123.121]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gc3zZ-0004og-3O; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:53:44 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-To: don provan In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Gc3zZ-0004og-3O. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1Gc3zZ-0004og-3O d5ee2ee8f7128e7f523c467fd1d3366a X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38206 Archived-At: don provan wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > >> Well, I have to push two keys to type control-f. Don't you? >> > > Emacs users don't notice this any more than we notice using shift to > get capital letters: modifiers are an advantage, not an overhead. But > obviously if you see that as two keystrokes, you're likely to get very > near double the number of keystrokes for Emacs over vi. > Yes, I do. I always use something like sticky modifiers to save my hands. (http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/StickyModifiers) > >> Beginning to use vi keys are rather tough. But once you are used to >> them they can be very good. I know since they are good for me ;-) >> > > Yes, I'm obviously not that familiar with the keys, but the point I > was making was about the fact that the vi approach requires my mind to > be in sync with the editor's mode, and whenever the two are out of > sync, there's going to be trouble. I consider this *the* principle > difference between the two editors, and why I would never for a moment > consider switching to vi. I hate CAPSLOCK and the PC Insert key for > the same reason. > I respect your choice, but in the long run it is not that difficult. If you use Viper in Emacs you can mix the two ways of editing too. I found that convenient. Viper also makes you aware of the mode by changing the text cursor. Of course I know very well where the ESC key is ;-)