From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:47:07 +0200 Message-ID: <452A60EB.4040307@student.lu.se> References: <20061009001242.GB6779@marita.homelinux.net> <4529F5D8.7060200@student.lu.se> <87ejth3gfp.fsf@wasp.nowan.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160405386 25231 80.91.229.2 (9 Oct 2006 14:49:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 09 16:49:43 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWwPm-0001RD-Sb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:47:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWwPm-00070H-VZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:47:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GWwPU-0006y6-4O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:47:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GWwPQ-0006tI-3x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWwPP-0006sw-Lp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.98] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWwWy-0002ld-OI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.076) id 4523CB5700126241; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:47:08 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-To: Jeremy Hankins In-Reply-To: <87ejth3gfp.fsf@wasp.nowan.org> X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37924 Archived-At: Jeremy Hankins wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > >> Do you know about Viper, a really good vi emulator inside Emacs? At >> least it is very good in Emacs 22. Emacs 22 is not yet released but very >> stable and will hopefully soon be in pretest. >> >> See http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ViperMode >> > > I second viper. I used vi for many years before starting to use emacs > (so that I could use gnus), and I don't think I'd be able to give up the > command-mode/insert-mode distinction. It's just too keyboard-friendly. > > I personally consider viper to be more of an implementation of vi in > elisp; it generally works quite well with other emacs modes without > interfering with their use. There are a few exceptions, though -- I'd > love to get viper to work better with folding.el, for example. > What version of Emacs do you use? What are the problems with folding.el?