From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:21:15 +0100 Message-ID: <43BDA9EB.1030009@student.lu.se> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85mziasu6z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wzmsqcs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <43BD9505.9070309@student.lu.se> <85lkxupbbl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136503298 31940 80.91.229.2 (5 Jan 2006 23:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 00:21:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EueQF-0004Mr-SP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:21:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EueS0-0002zp-3t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:23:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EueRs-0002zY-91 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EueRp-0002zH-Q2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EueRp-0002zE-Mc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:23:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EueTR-000057-5s; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:24:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.069.1) id 43BA872F000B72AF; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:21:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <85lkxupbbl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32470 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: >Correct. But the work that I have been criticising was intended to >make it _harder_ to switch from MacOSX to GNU/Linux, by providing >features only for MacOSX. > > Thanks. If you see it this way then I understand what you write. It is however still a bit difficult whether some things that can not be made portable at the moment really makes it harder to switch. (Please excuse me if I am drifting off a bit here. I do that to be more clear.) Suppose those things makes Emacs more acceptable on that particular proprietary platform. Suppose also that those things depends on OS features that does not yet exist on GNU/Linux. Is it in the long run then better to provide those things on the proprietary platform or not? To me the answer is not self evident. Providing this "things" could in the long run make a pressure on GNU/Linux to provide them too. I have the feeling that this could be the case for some things in the GUI for example. (Last time I tried GNU/Linux I dropped it partly because I did not understand how to use the keyboard for all tasks. I never use mouse if I can avoid it: For sure I want to try again, but I want that "thing" to be implemented in GNU/Linux - in a manner that I should not have to relearn. That is me of course, but I suspect there are more persons like me in that respect.) >I don't see hurt feelings (the only one getting personal instead of >focusing on the facts in this thread was Tim, but nobody took him up >on that). I see quite opposed viewpoints. > > You have to search for the feelings. But it is very good if this can be seen as opposing viewpoints. >There is a difference between making Emacs available for proprietary >systems (which makes it easier for people to switch from proprietary >to free systems), and improving it for proprietary systems only (which >makes it harder for people to switch from proprietary to free >systems). > > You are right. But I want to add that improving it for GNU/Linux only also can make it harder for people to switch from proprietary to free systems. I guess you agree, but I still want to make it clear since I think it is a very important point too.