Re- text formating

[Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>]

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Thanks Jean,

very good thoughts.

Exactly what I meant, people like you know Emacs and know what is 
possible to do.

My problem is:

I don’t have the time to learn to use Emacs for at least 3 years
in order to be able to use it well.
So that I can e.g. do some "word formatting".

That’s why I was asking to simplify Emacs in order to get a WYSIWYG 
mode, word-mode,

>>> Personally, word processor feature in Emacs I would use only for
>>> simple letters or simple documents.

> I already do that and it is pleasant to forget about markups, and only
>> use simple text, create letters, corporate resolutions, agreements and
>> contracts with simple text. And then I use rcd-paps.el library to
>> print it. As Unicode and smilies are solved in that library, all
>> printing is simply alright and perfect. No thinking.

This is basically (with some abilities to highlight text), what I 
wanted, but in an easier way to do it.
I am not able to do that.

> And one also has to consider that majority of people using Emacs
>> already know how to produce beautiful, structured and professional
>> documents by using Emacs without using word processor.
>> 
>> Many are way beyond word processor, as word processor cannot satisfy
>> needs of that group of people.

I don’t need to create professional documents.

I don’t know Latex, Org-mode, an so on.

Somebody who knows that can surely create beautiful documents according 
to his needs and feelings.

Emacs is surely not made for professional word processing.
Nobody wants that. There is no need for this.
But it would be good to create more options and possibilities and a sort 
of "easier doing" the stuff like the two examples.

Two examples e.g.

1.
I am using "enriched-mode" at the moment.
I wanted to make the headings "bold"
I did that.
But when trying to print it, I opened my browser and loaded this file.
What I saw was, that all headings had formatting signs.
I couldn’t print the document with formatting signs.

So how do I get rid of the formating signs, which enriched mode used for 
bold letters?

It would be good, to have a mode in which, after doing something in 
enriched-mode I don’t get the formatting signs when wanting to print 
this file or have to convert the file several times to get to my result.

2.
I wanted to increase the letters of the headings.
It would be good to have 3-5 possibilities of increasing the letters. 
(larger, still larger, large, very large, huge)
It is about highlighting some words so that the text becomes easier to read.

I couldn’t do that in enriched mode.

If I am using a mode like Latex
I am irritated by the formating sign.
It takes my concentration away from the text I want to write.
Additinally I don’t see the outcome immediately.

That’s why I want a WYSIWYG mode, where I am not irritated by formatting 
signs and where I can see immediately the outcome of the text, in case I 
want to print it.
I am not used being surrounded by formatting signs.

I hope I could make my point understandable.

sincere greetings

Gottfried


Am 07.02.23 um 11:00 schrieb Jean Louis:
> * Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> [2023-02-05 20:22]:
>> I, as an Emacs layman, would suggest:
>>
>> If somebody see’s it as a task, can work on it, or can at least add
>> thoughts, and together the fight of an uphill battle will be easier.
>>
>> You, who are masters in Emacs
>> and know everything/almost everything,
>>
>> can create a major mode
>>
>> e.g. to take the "enriched mode"
>> give it an other name
>> and add features, one after the other
>> take away features which don't fit
>>
>> and create a WYSIWYG mode/word processor.
> 
> Thanks, that is really good notion, and it is possible to get
> something similar to word processor. It would require to synchronize
> printed output to visible buffers.
> 
> Personally, word processor feature in Emacs I would use only for
> simple letters or simple documents.
> 
> I already do that and it is pleasant to forget about markups, and only
> use simple text, create letters, corporate resolutions, agreements and
> contracts with simple text. And then I use rcd-paps.el library to
> print it. As Unicode and smilies are solved in that library, all
> printing is simply alright and perfect. No thinking.
> 
> In similar way, word processor features I would not use for complex
> documents.
> 
> Well known word processor software are not suitable for document
> preparation and typesetting like TeX, LaTeX and akin are.
> 
> When you wish to make a presentation, or few letters document, it is
> fine with word processor.
> 
> But what I can do in LaTeX is way more expressive.
> 
>> Would it not be the time to create also a "word-processor-mode" in
>> Emacs, which doesn’t need to be like other word processors with all
>> kinds of possibilities, but simply to have the basics of a word
>> processor in Emacs,
> 
> Yes. And no.
> 
>> so you have all the advantages of Emacs and additionally for some
>> people a mode, which has certain possibilities of text manipulation.
> 
> Yes, for some people.
> 
> 
> 
> My needs it doesn't satisfy.
> 
> I also do not see why should I be wasting time with positioning of the
> letter left or right, multiple spaces in word processor are not
> logical, but with mistake my document will look weird.
> 
> With LaTeX or Asciidoctor, computer is the one taking care of it for
> me. It minimizes human errors.
> 
>> That, as I said, are the thoughts of an Emacs layman, because I just
>> started two month ago to get to know Emac, but am confronted with
>> too little word-processing possibilities.
> 
> Feel free to tel me which specific function you need. Then I may
> point to how to do it.
> 

-- 
Kind regards

Gottfried



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