From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: launch a program in an arbitrary frame Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3e07a3bc-bd5a-42f7-b048-4083021ba6b1@default> References: <8xxwpxyducd.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxr3o5ea34.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxmvyte6ei.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437259701 9542 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2015 22:48:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:48:21 +0000 (UTC) To: Hikaru Ichijyo , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 00:48:09 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGatt-0002DM-Ch for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:48:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50039 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGats-0007iu-D5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGatj-0007il-NA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:48:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGatf-0002nA-NF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:47:59 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGarP-0002TQ-E0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:47:55 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t6IMjXAP018642 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:45:34 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6IMjKbh021979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:45:33 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6IMjKnP019860; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:45:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105821 Archived-At: > Generally, I just meant that I remember in the 1980's and 90's, people > used to joke about Emacs being enormous. On 80's workstations, it might > take all the memory in your machine just to run an Emacs session. Do you remember Emacs being a memory hog back then, or do you just remember hearing someone joke about it that way? FWIW, I used Emacs heavily back then, on Unix workstations, Lisp machines, and terminals (UNIX, VAX/VMS). I never found it to be a memory hog or sluggish or bloated. Clearly, Emacs was smaller back then too, but I've never noticed it being particularly slow. Certainly, no one I knew ever had the impression that it "might take all the memory in your machine just to run an Emacs session." My recollection tells me that's a wild fairy tale. Early PCs were limited (and didn't run Emacs), but not workstations. I even used Emacs sometimes on a very limited baud stream over a phone line, where you often had to fiddle with `C-l' (to refresh, slowly, top to bottom - like watching a Surveyor image arrive from an early moon landing) and scroll locking. In that context, yes, the slow response could be a pain, but that was the wire, not Emacs - anything "interactive" over such a wire was slow. Of course, for someone used to `vi' and starting up the editor each time even to change only a few chars, Emacs was, and is, slow to start and use, by comparison. But such comparisons have always been essentially apples-to-oranges.