From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cortez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d53838d-d860-487d-9852-423c238ed8df@k21g2000vbj.googlegroups.com> References: <4e0e1528-224f-4c47-b2cf-8f6b256e541c@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351374612 13155 80.91.229.3 (27 Oct 2012 21:50:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:50:12 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 27 23:50:21 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TSEGq-0007Kc-F4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:50:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57557 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TSEGi-0007E1-Fn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:50:12 -0400 Original-Received: by 10.224.138.142 with SMTP id a14mr13604019qau.4.1351374532216; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.52.175.5 with SMTP id bw5mr5061893vdc.16.1351374532184; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!e17no1096777qar.0!news-out.google.com!r17ni73086299qap.0!nntp.google.com!e17no1096772qar.0!postnews.google.com!k21g2000vbj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k21g2000vbj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=90.205.92.132; posting-account=BQ5hWAoAAABMR1jsnenIubk8CPeIKeIH Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 90.205.92.132 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) Presto/2.10.289 Version/12.02,gzip(gfe) Injection-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:48:52 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu comp.lang.lisp:311560 comp.emacs:102667 gnu.emacs.help:195124 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:87453 Archived-At: On Oct 27, 9:24=C2=A0pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 8, 3:25=C2=A0am, Xah Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/mi= sc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html > > > plain text version follows > > > ------------------------------ > > > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (=E2=89=881959 ~ 2012-09-07). > > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?p= age=3Dlifes... > > > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became > > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp > > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp > > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know > > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness. > > > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder > > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s. > > > He told me about how emacs keybinding started. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Source groups.google.com. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From:DanielWeinreb=E3=80=94d...@alum.mit.edu=E3=80=95 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subject: Re: effective emacs > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xah...@gmail.com wrote: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Effective Emacs > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 (Long term emacs productivity tips.) > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Xah Lee, 2008-05-29 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, = i spent several > > hours > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Same for me, except the year is 1977. =C2=A0Nobody has be= en using Emacs > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-tester= s. =C2=A0I > > refer > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the D= EC 10.) > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are =E2= =80=9CCtrl+f=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CCtrl+b=E2=80=9D, > > =E2=80=9CCtrl > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 +n=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CCtrl+p=E2=80=9D. The keys= f, b, n, p are scattered around the > > keyboard > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 and are not under the home row. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That's true. =C2=A0At the time Guy Steele put together th= e Emacs > > default > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 key mappings, many people in the target user community (a= bout 20 > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. = =C2=A0It would > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by = the > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 community if they differed for such basic commands. =C2= =A0As you point > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based= on > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 their own ergonomic preferences. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 GOOD > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, = which > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer: > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I like the feel of the keys very much. =C2=A0I agree with= you > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are = Painful. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, = so > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 keyboard over to them and not cause confusion. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=94=82 Steve advices users to =E2=80=9CLose the UI=E2= =80=9D. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I rarely use the menu bar. =C2=A0On the other hand, I was= raised on an > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical= . =C2=A0Using > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though= , and I > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 use that a lot. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here's another piece of historical trivia. =C2=A0The Emac= s keyboard > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the St= anford > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the = AI lab > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hardware hackers at the time. =C2=A0It was very powerful.= =C2=A0But if you > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and = so it > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 was a good idea to save to disk before running it. =C2=A0= We had a > > saying > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of con= venience, > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 a lifetime of regret." =C2=A0This predates the widespread= use of "Undo" > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user inte= rfaces > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ever invented. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Dan > > > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you > > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: =E3=80=94Rebuttal to > > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11 > > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy > > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)=E3=80=95 > > > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's > > quote from Wikipedia: > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 EINE (a recursive acronym standing for =E2=80=9CEINE Is N= ot Emacs=E2=80=9D) was > > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinr= eband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the > > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It > > would later be developed into ZWEI ( =E2=80=9CZWEI Was Eine Initially= =E2=80=9D), which > > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into > > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the > > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp. > > > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben > > Wing.) > > > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give > > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp > > Problems. > > > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp > > Sucks. > > > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common > > Lisp implementations. =E3=80=94Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey > > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net=E3=80=95 > > > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be > > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web > > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the > > criticism) > > > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The > > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.) > > > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentry is just 2 > > days ago, where he talks about learning French. > > > I feel sad that Dan is gone. > > > =C2=A0Xah > > Its very sad to hear that he has passed away. > > Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of > the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made > available to the coming generations. He wasn't just a student of Lisp, he helped create CL. > Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet. > Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend > and found out about his passing before any of us. I don't think Xah Lee knew him personally. > What kind of cancer was he suffering from? Leukaemia, I believe. > Lisp Machine Zwei > *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine > Manual. http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/mit/cadr/chinual_3rdEd_Mar= 81.pdf Also plenty more stuff under http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/p= df/mit/cadr