From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: edgar@openmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3c1619129a29ec2327609496f73fb57a@openmail.cc> References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> <441378060.337754.1526627562985@webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526630965 21737 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 08:09:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:09:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: "S. Champailler" Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 10:09:21 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaS1-0005ZQ-0v for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 10:09:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37312 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaU7-0007tT-UP for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:11:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaTM-0007tN-7X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:10:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaTJ-0007Vl-1o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:10:44 -0400 Original-Received: from onethreetwo.vfemail.net ([199.16.11.132]:49912 helo=vfemail.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaTI-0007VM-Rk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:10:40 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 73921 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:10:36 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO freequeue.vfemail.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 18 May 2018 08:10:36 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 73869 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:10:19 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 73863, pid: 73866, t: 0.0032s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102-2.vfemail.net) (172.16.100.62) by FreeQueue with SMTP; 18 May 2018 08:10:19 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 11126 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:10:08 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 11120, pid: 11123, t: 0.0882s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO www.vfemail.net) (ZWRnYXJAb3Blbm1haWwuY2M=@172.16.100.93) by 172.16.100.62 with ESMTPA; 18 May 2018 08:10:08 -0000 Original-Received: from C6e0Js9pTKOZmh/UeF+/CwPNhOUWop6jy1JzK7+cYZw= (L1axbqOaO+kdh4YPLxHB3uzimS1XqdgJ) by www.vfemail.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 18 May 2018 03:10:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <441378060.337754.1526627562985@webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> X-Sender: edgar@openmail.cc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 199.16.11.132 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:120440 gmane.emacs.help:116756 Archived-At: On 2018-05-18 07:12, S. Champailler wrote: > Be aware that free software is politcally loaded. It's just not a > matter of having the right or best tools, it' sometimes a question of > ideal, that is something that is *very* hard to negociate about... > > Moreover, if the people you work with use, say Word, it's pretty tough > to bring in, say Latex. Because you'll disrupt the organisation of the > team. > > In the case of emacs, though, things are easier : it's made to work > with text files and that is quite compatible with any other > proprietary software. You won't affect anybody's job with that. > > Here at my job, I don't control any of the software I use (I have to > use Oracle, Windows, Skype), but I can choose the software that *I* > use for myself. So it's a balance. > > Changing other's mind, or methods is super hard, what you experience > is just the normal. It'd be nice to know why your advisor rejects free > software equivalents (lack of features ? fear of legal battles ? > organisational ...) > > Stefan Merci, Stefan. I have tried to understand her point, and I can dissect it into: 1. She does not see the advantage of having to learn how to use anything else. It works well for her, why change and waste time on doing it? 2. She likes and is used to the "features" of the software (today, I discovered that one of these is the so-called "track changes"; I swear I have tried to introduce her to Git, not that she cares). 3. I think that she is used to the interface. 4. She says (and I have no reason to question) that the whole department uses the proprietary software that she uses. It is an imposition to others (including her) to ask them to use something different. It is only when we have to collaborate directly that the issue arises. I guess that it's a similar situation as you are having (programming? she does not care, I can do whatever I want; publication abstract? she wants a DOCX or DOC). What I find unfathomable is that I can produce the format that she needs (even with style) with free software (thanks community!), but what I perceive as her reluctance to my software (or just plain miscommunication) prevents her from informing me or me understanding what exactly it is that she considers important. In other words, she does not seem to want to deal with it in any way. I'm sorry, I didn't want to make this very long. I hope that I explained myself. The count goes like this (so that everyone knows that I am listening, the count is by far the least important): - Yield partially (1) :: You will have to work with proprietary software in some way, but not always. - There is no escape (1) :: You will have to work with proprietary software ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!