From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Daniel B." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:02:42 -0400 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3F7B08B2.DE2EA90A@smart.net> References: <1c58a7c3.0310010003.78c0fa00@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065027906 1964 80.91.224.253 (1 Oct 2003 17:05:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 01 19:05:05 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A4kPQ-0004Ty-01 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A4kOd-0005mE-J0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A4kO0-0005j8-HB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A4kNP-0005TK-5S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:03:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A4kNO-0005St-Nf; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:02:58 -0400 Original-Received: from smart.net (IDENT:501@dsb.smart.net [216.253.158.43]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00774; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:02:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18+dsb+smp+ide i686) X-Accept-Language: en Original-To: David Kastrup X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:12919 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:12919 David Kastrup wrote: > > brakjoller@hotmail.com (Barman Brakjoller) writes: > > ... > > The contortions one has to go through in order to switch from one > direction of movement to another make this quite unergonomic, Only if you switch frequently from the convenient (on-keyboard control characters) to the farther-away arrows keys. Or were you talking about up vs. down, left vs. right, etc.? If you think there's a contortion between control-b and control-f (back and forward (left and right)), see below. If you think there's a contortion between control-n and control-p (next and previous (down and up)), then what's going on with you? > and you > have the control key locking down another finger at the same time. Have you experienced the control key in its correct location (not where IBM-PC-style keyboards put control keys)? That will make a big difference. Typing Control-A is supposed to be as easy as putting your left little (leftmost) finger to the left of the A key and putting your left ring (second leftmost) finger on the A key. > ... > > Contrast that to vi, where the keyboard bindings for movement are > simply _the_ thing to use. What you mean by _the_ thing to use? Modern version of vi accept arrow keys as well as traditional vi movement keys, don't they? And what contrast is there? Emacs takes main-keyboard keystrokes as well as arrow keys, and so does vi now. > Is it mere coincidence that several major Emacs programmers (RMS, Ben > Wing) have been hampered by RSI over long times? I'd say so. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay dsb@smart.net