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From: "Daniel B." <dsb@smart.net>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:02:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F7B08B2.DE2EA90A@smart.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: x5d6dhfel6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz

David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> brakjoller@hotmail.com (Barman Brakjoller) writes:
> 
> ...
> 
> The contortions one has to go through in order to switch from one
> direction of movement to another make this quite unergonomic, 

Only if you switch frequently from the convenient (on-keyboard control
characters) to the farther-away arrows keys.

Or were you talking about up vs. down, left vs. right, etc.?

If you think there's a contortion between control-b and control-f (back
and forward (left and right)), see below. 

If you think there's a contortion between control-n and control-p (next
and previous (down and up)), then what's going on with you?


> and you
> have the control key locking down another finger at the same time.

Have you experienced the control key in its correct location (not where
IBM-PC-style keyboards put control keys)?  That will make a big 
difference.

Typing Control-A is supposed to be as easy as putting your left little 
(leftmost) finger to the left of the A key and putting your left ring 
(second leftmost) finger on the A key.


> ...
> 
> Contrast that to vi, where the keyboard bindings for movement are
> simply _the_ thing to use.

What you mean by _the_ thing to use?  

Modern version of vi accept arrow keys as well as traditional vi movement 
keys, don't they?

And what contrast is there?  Emacs takes main-keyboard keystrokes as
well as arrow keys, and so does vi now.



> Is it mere coincidence that several major Emacs programmers (RMS, Ben
> Wing) have been hampered by RSI over long times?

I'd say so.



Daniel
-- 
Daniel Barclay
dsb@smart.net

  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-01 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-01  8:03 C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? Barman Brakjoller
2003-10-01  8:43 ` Noufal Ibrahim
2003-10-01 10:16 ` David Kastrup
2003-10-01 17:02   ` Daniel B. [this message]
     [not found]   ` <mailman.949.1065027827.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-01 17:39     ` David Kastrup
2003-10-02 16:16       ` Hans-Christoph Wirth
2003-10-07 18:33         ` David Steuber
2003-10-03 10:31       ` Daniel B.
2003-10-08 23:52       ` Jim Janney
2003-10-09 18:50         ` Barry Margolin
2003-10-16 21:07       ` Kai Grossjohann
2003-10-07 18:29     ` David Steuber
2003-10-09 17:11       ` Daniel B.
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1425.1065719518.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-09 19:42         ` David Steuber
2003-11-03  2:34       ` David Combs
2003-10-01 12:00 ` Arjan Bos
2003-10-01 15:48   ` Barry Margolin
2003-10-02 14:21     ` Arjan Bos
2003-10-06 17:30   ` Gareth Rees
2003-10-01 12:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-01 12:48   ` Jay Belanger
2003-10-07 18:40     ` David Steuber
2003-10-07 20:02       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-07 21:11         ` David Kastrup
2003-10-08  8:48         ` Oliver Scholz
2003-10-08 10:21           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1313.1065608391.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-08 10:27             ` David Kastrup
2003-10-08 15:47               ` Barry Margolin
2003-10-09 18:16                 ` C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? - OT now Daniel B.
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1429.1065723394.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-09 19:03                   ` Björn Lindström
2003-10-09 20:39                 ` C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? lawrence mitchell
2003-10-09 18:15           ` Daniel B.
2003-10-01 12:36 ` Jim Ottaway
2003-10-01 15:07 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-10-01 16:43 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-02 13:59   ` Arthur Davis
     [not found] ` <mailman.985.1065065051.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-02  8:40   ` Matthias Meulien
2003-10-03 10:31     ` Daniel B.
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1056.1065177296.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-16 21:03       ` Kai Grossjohann
2003-10-16 21:13         ` lawrence mitchell
2003-10-06 14:21   ` Sven Utcke
2003-10-06 15:35     ` Barry Margolin
2003-10-07 16:29       ` Hans-Christoph Wirth
2003-10-07 21:11         ` David Kastrup
2003-10-09 15:17           ` Per Abrahamsen
2003-10-09 17:08     ` Daniel B.
     [not found] <E1A4kP0-00064x-AV@monty-python.gnu.org>
2003-10-02 22:45 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found] ` <mailman.1038.1065134760.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-10-06 14:23   ` Sven Utcke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-16 22:32 Joe Corneli

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