From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does Carbon Emacs ignore ~/.emacs ? Date: 9 May 2003 03:39:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305090239.69ddcbf6@posting.google.com> References: <39d9c156.0305022345.33c850aa@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305032129.63ee6ce9@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305071625.25c3c244@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052476978 6501 80.91.224.249 (9 May 2003 10:42:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 09 12:42:56 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19E5L5-0001gJ-00 for ; Fri, 09 May 2003 12:42:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19E5JN-0005Xd-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 06:41:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 68 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052476786 8868 127.0.0.1 (9 May 2003 10:39:46 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2003 10:39:46 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112981 comp.sys.mac.apps:360950 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9476 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9476 Joe Davison wrote ... > I've read the other thread. Have you tried the version I mentioned? I did and tossed it. Don't ask me why, because I tried so many builds I lost track what exactly was wrong with which one. I didn't exactly plan for this to become a major field trial you know. Otherwise I'd either not have started or I would have kept a log for each build ;-) There were some builds that quit unexpectedly. It may be the one you mentioned was one of those, but I can't be sure. I am now trying out what's called extended Emacs. It's carbonised, too and many people have recommended it. At first I wasn't aware that there was also an older build that still runs under 10.1 so I didn't try, but someone posted a link to the older version. Apparently this needs TeX installed (hence extented Emacs) but I hope it's possible to do without that. > know the "7.0.1" version ran on 10.1.5, because I was using it -- it > broke when I moved to 10.2, so there are clearly compatibility issues > there. However, the version I was using on 10.1.5 did NOT have most of > the problems you mentioned. Almost all "normal emacs" commands worked, > including C-x modifier commands and the kill & yank (cut & paste) > commands -- using the "normal emacs" keybindings. Mac conventions were > NOT followed, but the version was very functional -- nothing like the > problems you've mentioned. With the version I'm running, the situation > is almost the same, although there is more mac-like functionality -- For > instance, drag & drop pasting works one-way -- mac-app (Safari) to > emacs, but not the other direction. C-x C-c works to quit, as does the > "Quit Emacs" menu item, but not the window close button. As an added > "feature" :-) Cmd-C (mac copy) also quits the application, > "unexpectedly". This is on 10.2.5 (and 10.2.6), so it's only of > academic interest to you. Since it sounds like the later versions > don't have this problem, it's probably time for me to follow the advice > and build myself a new version. thanks for the feedback. > I do wish you luck in getting answers to your specific questions. I > suspect the simplest answer for your ilisp startup docs might be - > "you'll be better off by far if you upgrade to Jaguar before you try > this", since I suspect everything works, including the mac cut & past by > setting the key-bindings that were listed. > > The Jaguar upgrade is worth the price (if you've got the funds) -- for > lots of reasons. It also will require upgrading your Developer Tools, > but there's a DevTools CD among the others, at least in my upgrade > package. I think they've been upgraded again (December,2002) however, > so you'd want to download/copy the CD for those, too. Two reasons why I am doing this on 10.1. First, I am using this on a machine with OSX Server (runs some server stuff) and the upgrade is $999 which I can't justify right now. I won't upgrade the Server before 10.3. Second, I promised the authors of ILISP to write up a section how to set up Emacs with ILISP on a Mac with Aqua, they're going to drop that into the ILISP user guide. This means there will be some folks with OSX 10.1 and I should really test everything on 10.1 *and* 10.2. I have 10.2 on my iBook but I keep all the development stuff on the server which is 10.1. I think I am up to date on the developer tools though. anyway, thanks for your input, I appreciate it. rgds bk