From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 7 May 2003 18:47:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305071747.35c7365e@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052358565 3479 80.91.224.249 (8 May 2003 01:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 01:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 03:49:22 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DaXC-0000tq-00 for ; Thu, 08 May 2003 03:49:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19DaYS-0006TU-03 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 21:50:40 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 73 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052358440 14346 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2003 01:47:20 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2003 01:47:20 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112925 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9420 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9420 Gilbert Harman wrote ... > I couldn't tell whether you are interested in using emacs with MCL, but if > so, it is relevant that MCL already includes an emacs type editor, so you > could just use that. Yes, I know, FRED. However, I am using OpenMCL, which is an open sourced MCL that doesn't have the integrated environment (plus some other differences). > It runs fine in OS X. According to Digitool's web site, MCL currently only runs in Classic and V5.0 is only for selected customers cause it's a preview, not an official release yet. I have MCL 4.2 and I do not intend to upgrade until V5.0 is commercially available. I am actually quite happy with an editor called Alpaca, which is open source and written in OpenMCL. However, at first I asked the Lispers for help with getting ILISP to work and they were very helpful. To return the favour, I promised that I would write a mini-how-to for setting up Carbon Emacs and ILISP for OSX users. The authors of ILISP are going to include that in the ILISP user guide. So, even if I am not going to use Emacs myself in the end, my aim is to spare other Mac users the effort and get past Emacs as fast as possible if all they are interested in is exploring a non-commercial Lisp, such as OpenMCL, or even the trial version of Allegro (60 days, can be renewed every 60 days by running a script but doesn't make any executables which is fine for non-commercial use). At the very least I will have to show - how to quit - how to copy and paste - how to invoke the HyperSpec and wrt anything that a Mac user might expect (such as drag and drop) but which may not be there, I should tell readers what they can expect and if it is only to avoid getting swamped in email by people who ask "why can't I do ..." ;-) > So does the current build of > emacs, but you would need considerable expertise to install it correctly Tell me about it ;-) It seems to be my fate to somehow manage to find out and document it such that other clueless Mac users like myself will be spared from running into the same roadblock. I can tell you, I have managed to figure out things that would seem to be a lot more difficult on the outset. For example, I set up a DNS server for a home or small office LAN environment and wrote a 12 page how-to guide that was very popular and I got tons of thank-you email from Mac users many of whom said it was the first time they read anything about DNS they could actually follow. You would think that setting up DNS from scratch is a lot more challenging than getting an editor to work, right?! Well, it's been quite an experience. Something to tell one's grandchildren about, well almost :-) > and > you do not seem to require the additional resources full emacs provides. that's correct. Anyway, thank you for your input and just in case if you have any idea what could bring me a step further in my quest, please post again. rgds bk