From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 7 May 2003 08:09:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305070709.7fda1c14@posting.google.com> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305051416.711b6cca@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052320600 6121 80.91.224.249 (7 May 2003 15:16:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 17:16:35 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DQZU-00012l-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 17:11:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19DQYj-0001ir-07 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:10:17 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052320178 14826 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2003 15:09:38 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2003 15:09:38 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112894 comp.sys.mac.apps:360776 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9389 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9389 Piet van Oostrum wrote ... > I have chosen to use Command as the Meta key, rather than Option. The main > reason is that Option is used to produce non-ASCII characters like é, ü, > ¤, so I don't want to loose that feature (although emacs has other ways to > produce these characters, which I also use sometimes). Therefore the > Command key is not free for me, so I don't use Cmd-C, Cmd-V, Cmd-Q etc. > But as someone else has already indicated, you are free to use Option as > Meta key and install the proper commands on the Command keys. I could give > you the elisp commands in a few minutes if so desired. Thanks, this is helpful. Now, we seem to have two different recommendations for the META key. One says "use Option as META" the other says "use Cmd as META". As I said before, this is supposed to go into a how to setup Emacs with ILISP on OSX step by step guide and I have to take the target audience into consideration. It seems to me that I have to make a choice or present both alternatives, possibly listing the pros and cons for each one, so that readers can make an informed decision. Would you have any opinion on that. What would you recommend someone new to Emacs whose main interest is to get an IDE for doing some Lisp (study or serious)? Probably they won't care so much about accented characters because you don't really need that for writing Lisp code. And if they haven't used Emacs before they might like to use Cmd-/x/c/v for cut/copy/paste, although this may prevent them from learning the Emacs method how to paste. As I see it, I will have to provide both alternatives and let the reader choose for themselves. So, if you could be so kind and let me have those commands, I would appreciate that. thanks rgds bk