From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 7 May 2003 05:05:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305070405.3f98dc37@posting.google.com> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com> <060520031302215334%ajanta@no.spam> <3q1xzbevo1.fsf@shell4.tdl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052309162 8961 80.91.224.249 (7 May 2003 12:06:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 14:06:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DNgO-0002KD-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:06:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19DNgX-0005y7-09 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 08:06:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052309110 5449 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2003 12:05:10 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2003 12:05:10 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112884 comp.sys.mac.apps:360756 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9378 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9378 Phil Stripling wrote ... > Personal attacks just to get attention do not > deserve a response. There were no personal attacks. As for not getting response to fix the problems, it is up to you. My offer still stands. Any help I get to make it work will be included in the documentation I am going to provide and the Emacs/ILISP/Lisp commmunity stands to benefit as other people inexperienced in these tools will find it easier to get past this roadblock. OTOH, if I don't get any help I won't be able to document it properly and it will be to the loss of the community. If it wasn't for the fact that I have promised the authors of ILISP a step-by-step guide for ILISP newbies using OSX, I wouldn't even care to ask. I usually find another tool if something doesn't work right away. This saves a lot of time and hassle. And if I can't find another tool, I come back a year later and see if things work then. For what I want to do, Alpaca seems sufficient. If I needed this to earn money, I would either get the client to purchase a commercial Lisp development system that includes an IDE or I'd get them to hire someone to write a plug-in for BBEdit that roughly does what ILISP does for Emacs. My experience has been that in any commercial context this is the only approach that ensures delivery in time and on budget. Remember what Gabriel said, "'Worse is better' is better". He was right. Anyway, I am not doing this for money. So, as for the documentation I promised on how to setup Emacs/ILISP on OSX, it will be on a "best effort only" basis and what "best effort" means depends to how much help I will get fixing the problems I described. rgds bk