From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 4 May 2003 23:00:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052114452 23367 80.91.224.249 (5 May 2003 06:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 05 08:00:41 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CZ17-00063M-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 08:00:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19CZ1l-0004m0-00 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 02:00:41 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 76 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.132.31.10 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052114417 14711 127.0.0.1 (5 May 2003 06:00:17 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2003 06:00:17 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112773 comp.sys.mac.apps:360459 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9268 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9268 I tried several builds of Aqua versions of Emacs on OSX and all of them exhibit severe symptoms of crippleware. I would like to know if those are supposed to work or are they just bugs. 1) No Drag and Drop - files On a Mac you can just drag a file icon with the mouse onto an application icon and the application will open the file. Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Emacs, or so it would seem. Bug or feature? 2) No Drag and Drop - text snippets On a Mac you can just drag a snippet of text with the mouse from one application and drag it directly into another application. Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Emacs, or so it would seem. Bug or feature? 3) Systemwide Clipboard - cut and paste On a Mac you can cut or copy a text snippet to the clipboard while in one application and then paste it back while in another application. Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Emacs, or so it would seem. Bug or feature? 4) HIG violations - quitting On a Mac, all applications *must* quit when "Quit" is selected in the applications main menu (the one that carries its name). Further, applications *must* quit when the user choses "Quit" from the menu in the application's dock item. Finally, Cmd-Q is the designated keyboard shortcut for quitting. Unfortunately, none of this works with Emacs, or so it would seem. Bug or feature? 5) HIG violations - paste On a Mac, cut/copy/paste is Cmd-x/c/v. Emacs doesn't adhere to this, but in principle, this can be changed back to normal by defining keyboard macros. Unfortunately, "Paste", which is now Ctrl-y doesn't work at all, neither from the keyboard nor from the Menu. Bug or feature? 6) Emacs keyboard shortcuts Most of the Emacs keyboard shortcuts don't work. Bug or feature? 7) User Preferences - Fonts On just about every Mac application, you can set your preferred font and size. It seems Emacs doesn't allow one to do that. How do you change the font/size? Bug or feature? Note: These shortcomings were observed in Aqua versions of Emacs, they may not apply to Xemacs and they may not apply to the commanline version at /usr/bin/emacs. My questions are therefore directed specifically at Aqua Emacs. tia rgds bk