From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:31:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3966473cc17dcc4d4a30@heytings.org> References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <83tuqnkzff.fsf@gnu.org> <8ed9b435026a7f251086@heytings.org> <87wnvg2ir0.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16757"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 20:33:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vEe-0004EX-O8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:33:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55846 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vEd-0004Hh-Qa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:33:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vDB-0004GH-VT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:31:42 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:45512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vDA-0006hU-7X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:31:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612985498; bh=iJ0kjK0zuDpvQcYwLZ8f3aKELAHPeAqGd7hESevpI0I=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=OCJURthCdFVQEwrjTevByyyiB2bfuH9io4wfzHSk2tloSIbnRHRxbqqncgUWtb6t3 sN0Pp2u+fwJDLMWWUJ4/FWU8gjxVvmCKmvb/2pr5Xz6Y0mHKCRuELIu34I1JF898wO p3ahjr/mPXtuWvWvGIsmx1++2lnFGH7NYvqDAQ2R8Dsha+RduAo3wpwKyLw4C4fWTx bvUrR4IUsaUqgFvZOSCVmLoAPUR96umPgC1tBt85MH7dJY0H/20aT4nYX0ku38Eg2y 1B76KL+5ufOdgNdxZqySTd8qN+f2mwGesbclgEkaiwIokFTF5XVI6QuEfK6XsXKdOY lOLYTZ6lG7rDA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127779 Archived-At: > > From shell point of view C-z shall suspend the job. I do not even > consider C-z being Emacs-based but now I assume it is decision of Emacs > to keep C-z as how it should be in the shell. When opening a new VPS to > process various jobs one would then need to first configure Emacs to > have job control working. That is not useful. It would break many habits > and expected behavior. > The proposal in this thread has little to do with the proposal in the "PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key..." thread. In that proposal it is explicitly stated that C-z C-z would be bound to "suspend-frame". IOW, all you'd have to do is to press three keys instead of two to suspend. Repeating a key until it produces the desired effect is something terminal users are used to do, for example, repeating C-c until the program aborts.