From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Suggestions for 1L computer to run Emacs 2019 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:03:59 +0900 Message-ID: <3555928F-595F-4577-8A4B-F30A90095961@icloud.com> References: <86d0o01zan.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="104750"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 10 16:08:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gsqia-000R9w-AH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:08:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60395 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gsqiZ-0001bJ-52 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gsqeL-0007Zn-CL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gsqeK-0000rS-M8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-ztdg10012001.me.com ([17.58.6.51]:51401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gsqeK-0000qN-Fj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:04:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1549811041; bh=SFoRM46Qq9JpO3HBynjFASVYu6hQTwol73qwJauBwh8=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=yj3D0gRk6yTePf13ozqbNIZAd6tyffdXcSl1n9HYuh3tljGaQLmLDIfNig8iR13w2 emcsfUNZ66fRcBhb9Hm3QrO9zB4vHAYzemvYZhjUDtSJVc+MVNNTbuJfFbjMhBC+ni MKGTkp4A+MMl0ovt+krTlmVff2tYs1yFJ+jL8SzWdI2d9GFPtCfxGcloIL1ceKWUbm qybg2l9qb4XH15bUSTtey7gnEuJOGGD3Fnnb0t6k/oVUaVc8H3R0GgqjydEQWYOgMN rTny5/PswthfuFVS9odOZNzgsz1Kw/ZMtqumGlvM5jAaYflOp/WMwVFFj2KOTvc2dE EYdQRSCZnzjzw== Original-Received: from [192.168.0.8] (unknown [1.230.108.64]) by pv50p00im-ztdg10012001.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9E692800F0; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:04:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-02-10_14:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=762 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1902100117 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 17.58.6.51 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119312 Archived-At: =EB=82=98=EC=9D=98 iPhone=EC=97=90=EC=84=9C =EB=B3=B4=EB=83=84 2019. 2. 10. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 11:54, Stefan Monnier =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: > That's not the kind of control I was talking about. The problem I see > with Apple's control over their devices is that they control the devices > they sell even *after* selling them (e.g. by controlling which software > gets to run on it). What kind of control? Apple Macbooks are just x86 computers that are capable= of running macOS... There=E2=80=99s no control whatsoever.