From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:44:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <329d68a5ed9483d22bfc@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1llsuxq.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
>> A meta key alone wouldn't be an appealing solution for third-party
>> developers, it must either a control key alone, or a control key and
>> its corresponding meta key.
>
> I don't see why. What wrong with just a meta key? On modern keyboards
> the Alt and Ctrl keys are usually the same size.
>
It's of course not a matter of key size. In Emacs key bindings, control
ones are "primary", and meta ones are "secondary". You open, save, quit,
move, search, ... with control keybindings, in fact you can use Emacs
without ever using meta keys. The opposite isn't true. Relegating
third-party libraries on a secondary key binding can't be an appealing
solution.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-12 8:44 UTC|newest]
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2021-02-10 1:50 ` no job control in this shell (was: Proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users) Skip Montanaro
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2021-02-10 10:49 ` Proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users Jean Louis
2021-02-09 17:24 ` Skip Montanaro
2021-02-11 0:52 ` Francis Belliveau
2021-02-09 5:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-02-09 6:41 ` not good proposal: " Jean Louis
2021-02-09 7:51 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-10 10:13 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-10 10:43 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 8:07 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-02-10 10:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 9:31 ` C-z, C-c, job control commands [was: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users] tomas
2021-02-09 12:22 ` Skip Montanaro
2021-02-10 10:36 ` not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users Jean Louis
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