From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:00:32 +0000 Message-ID: <329d68a5ed15c49db4d7@heytings.org> References: <3966473cc17dcc4d4a30@heytings.org> <87y2fv2g5o.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87mtwbym2r.fsf@fastmail.fm> <871rdltsfb.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15095"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 14:02:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAY5D-0003or-CU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:02:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35090 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAY5C-0004sg-CC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAY3t-0004po-Hz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:00:43 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:48098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAY3p-00085N-9Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:00:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1613134832; bh=ooMO8m6Gn9dBeNVee5yB9/jZmqaImU9oT+UQNRCKyhs=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=TrGb+KaaTN1x5wcZKfB9IDm9ytBuws/ufnsGB/gelfyyY0FU9r3ZWgda+BZmyPXWo neMJz8mXd63RII5oZGHwKPkxomxb8N8jH3bxqtGjKKwaJk9zbunKwAUP2fOWhsa3ab 32MaNfl/ZEveuMLAu6r+ZZpyFV84YcolkRoCKgDnxxBvF4FZM7fpVMPaKsPE/9wN3Y /FXaJRVNag6nY2lUm56bJPus4hBdf/5YERZKkR0liOs9iMtBmRlZjJvQwrePt+GUwA RB3QoF00MfQ+kdsgE6Rul53OzQMvu8RiHyMunLrOPpS4u67zkN2WRRa/EigHUDOLsB qjZgSCMVGy46A== In-Reply-To: <871rdltsfb.fsf@fastmail.fm> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127848 Archived-At: > > [I had a hostile reaction here to what I perceived to be a hostile > remark from you. If that was a reaction to something I said, I > apologise.] > I admit I don't know which is the remark you perceived as a hostile one. Be assured that being hostile wasn't my intention; I try hard to not make any hostile remarks. >>> Reserving keys for external packages means that Emacs needs some way >>> to deal with conflicting external key bindings, which will inevitably >>> arise. >> >> Yes, and this has been acknowledged from the outset. It's a different >> problem however, these are conflicts between external packages, not >> between an external package and Emacs core or between an external >> package and users' personal bindings. > > I don't really see it as a different problem. To me it's immaterial > whether there's a conflict between Emacs and an external package, > between two external packages or between a user's bindings and an > external package; they're all conflicts caused by an external package > creating a global key binding. > Under the postulate that external packages should not create any global bindings, it's indeed the same problem ;-)