From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: D P Schreber Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: X11 Mac OS X 10.3 emacs fink: only terminal? Date: 14 Dec 2004 05:56:50 GMT Message-ID: <327dl2F3gcngrU1@individual.net> References: <1102952440.733798.50520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <325srfF3gmkjmU2@individual.net> <326je9F3j7frtU1@individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103004007 9091 80.91.229.6 (14 Dec 2004 06:00:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 14 06:59:57 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ce5j2-0003o2-00 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:59:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ce5tB-0007Lh-4g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:10:25 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Trace: individual.net u4t9ikLhiVYMImXtwb5TNAesgDNLFKt0sopXDxm+CC9hbRrODe User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (Darwin) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:127297 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22729 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22729 On 2004-12-14, Joe Corneli wrote: > I'm not saying it is unacceptable to use Emacs under Aqua, I'm saying > that it isn't "better". The OP was asking for help with X11 The OP asked for help in getting a windowed emacs working in osx, with scrollbars etc. If that was all he was after, the carbon emacs is something he needed to know about, if he didn't already. So I mentioned it. Btw I also gave him the pointer to fix his X11 problem. As it turns it, the OP mentioned later that he has other X11 needs, and that was the end of that as far as I was concerned. This is where you come in. Personally I'm a pragmatist about such things. Sorry but I just don't like fundamentalism. I have both an X11 build and a carbon build on my system and I use whichever one makes more sense at any given time. Sometimes I run emacs in a terminal. Sometimes I use vim. Like most people who read this newsgroup, I'm clever enough to adapt to my environment and to circumstances. > seems inappropriate to suggest a nonfree replacement. This is just utterly absurd. He's already made the decision to run osx. That was done before this discussion even started. Get over it. Maybe you think there's some great moral issue in play if you run ./configure with --with-carbon instead of --with-x11. But if you do, well, frankly that makes you a loon imo.