From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: simple editor required Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:49:47 +0300 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <3099-Sat07Jun2003134947+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054984525 4408 80.91.224.249 (7 Jun 2003 11:15:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 07 13:15:23 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ObfP-00018w-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:15:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Obef-0001S1-6s for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:14:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Obai-0000go-HO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:10:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19ObX4-0008Mu-I5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from bilbo.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.18]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ObGY-0006wC-JA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 06:49:43 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretsky (cable-129-113.inter.net.il [213.8.129.113]) by bilbo.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.5-GR) with ESMTP id AVA24380; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:49:27 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: (kerravon@nosppaam.w3.to) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:10757 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:10757 > From: "Paul Edwards" > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:19:34 GMT > > Well the first problem is that only one of the emacses responded > to my .emacs requesting the default mode to be text mode. The > other remained as fundamental. Please show the fragment of your .emacs that didn't work in one of these versions. Also, please tell what Emacs versions are you using. > At the moment I have to conclude that fundamental behaviour is being > changed *by default* between versions. Some defaults indeed change whenever the maintainers find the old defaults to be contrary to expectations of many users. However, these changes are rare; most defaults stay put for many releases. > The second problem I encountered was that in the version where > text mode actually took effect, was that it inserted spaces instead > of leaving the line empty, when I inserted a blank line. How did you insert a blank line? What command did you use? > The third problem I encountered was when trying to manually > clean up the blanks, ctrl-k would not simply delete the blanks on > the line, it would delete the entire line. This is a feature: Emacs removes an empty line together with its newline terminator. Use M-\ to remove the blanks alone.