From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 22:04:38 -0700 Message-ID: <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmk1b5ot.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14656"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 07:05:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoe2-0003gd-EU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 07:05:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43034 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuoe1-0002Ti-Aa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:05:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuod1-0002TT-Ia; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from c.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.80]:56700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuocz-0007Jq-SW; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.a.apps.sonic.net [64.142.109.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24S54cmg019443; Fri, 27 May 2022 22:04:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> X-Sonic-Auth: bTIwfh+sLbfL4YtDsFXjAMemq8uQsb/8JF5pNVlKZ9BH3GqGf+9wVv9SJ3N29pbDM3y5s3sOqAck5TdbNnAXrbmb5t9n7zriRKQTEiy9BHQ= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVY9EAa1nFbk8NPl7bbBSl9q5whJyAGM1fQgMyf/5eS0+ZJhIFgAX9qj7/6cCtPBcD4Zo5qSExeT3En2Q9hfN0bWkvZ1DEHT/Do= X-Sonic-ID: C;aNENrUPe7BGPs+aMi47k/A== M;+kEVrUPe7BGPs+aMi47k/A== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.80; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=c.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137442 Archived-At: > Uhm, "upstream host", is that another computer that receives > to the same feed as you so thus gets your posts or what is it? Example from real life. In high school I interned at a dinky little start-up that was a net-news edge node. The system administrators at that little company set up an internal net news host the same way someone might bring in an old ping pong table - to improve the work environment. That company dialed out to a more established company down the road that, as a regional industry courtesy, not only hosted its own internal net news host but connected to even bigger fish upstream and casually offered peering to local small companies. >> Google used its economic power and social influence to first >> centralize what was left of mainstream netnews and then to >> kill it off. > > Well, you can tune into nntp.aioe.org with Gnus this very > instant and see how useful it is. But killed - no. Yes, I am being a bit absolutist there. I suppose to be a little more accurate I would say that they killed it as a way of sharing groups that had developed into widely used global connected social media (relative to the scales of its day). To be sure, the not-really-multi-media email-style message format didn't exactly help sustain interested in net news. -t