From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Do we want more choice? (was Bookmark the end of file?) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 22:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <291260f3-daa1-4ab4-8840-2ee9b9f164ec@default> References: <87vbh8hlns.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <1b751175-4544-44e7-bbcd-d5a01bf92624@default> <39b824d1-e8d2-4bf7-a983-c6cefff83dad@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428903380 20955 80.91.229.3 (13 Apr 2015 05:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:36:20 +0000 (UTC) To: Rusi , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 13 07:36:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YhX2G-000518-PB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:35:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47133 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhX2F-0000BL-W2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:35:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43321) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhX1z-0000B2-Gq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:35:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhX1u-0000yl-78 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:35:35 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhX1t-0000yR-Rj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t3D5ZMw7002523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:35:23 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3D5ZMjR022136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:35:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3D5ZM2h009402; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:35:22 GMT In-Reply-To: <39b824d1-e8d2-4bf7-a983-c6cefff83dad@googlegroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103681 Archived-At: > > > > Even if you were right that one use case is more common, why > > > > wouldn't we want to let users control the behavior, instead > > > > of deciding it for them at coding time? > > > > > > Because offering more choices doesn't always help the user. > > > > No, of course not. But neither does offering fewer choices. > > How about speaking to this particular question, instead just > > throwing out truisms? >=20 > There is a general realization nowadays, that everything being > equal, less choice is likely better than more choice: "A general realization." "Nowadays." Ooooh. Can't argue with that. Consideration of one particular choice has now been successfully diverted toward vacuous generalizations about choice in general - =20 platitudes of Polonius. Too bad. Not to mention that no one proposed forcing users to choose anything here. Define a default behavior. Provide an easy way to get other, optional behavior. No imposition. No user paralysis before a terrifying and difficult dilemma. Perfectly ignorable choice; zero choosing needed. I'm afraid you've missed the point. But you were led by example to miss it.