From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B Smith-Mannschott" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: <28c656e20812170617g21d9d938wa09752f0f70b1ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> <878wqg4alp.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <874p135js1.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5051_8199449.1229523443593" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229523495 21147 80.91.229.12 (17 Dec 2008 14:18:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:18:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 15:19:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCxEs-0001IC-6C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:19:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45502 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCxDg-00074z-2a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCxDM-00074k-3a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCxDK-00074Y-6S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38139 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCxDK-00074V-2M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:26 -0500 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]:30433) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCxDJ-000082-Q4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:25 -0500 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so1491215ana.21 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:17:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=H9cXZ5vX1w52r9L4vVoCdg0eQ9ciAkNaj3umnLmlJLk=; b=kIBVkf9N3EwJmjkD55cqdp19jhTTfLea/06dXqRCGc5QRRdcztxH5333Eg0wDYFXwa +YE2pUoRG3A/ygMSQUvh6CVrweArSOhnT55rtp28wnkZsYK6gtqMfpMzQgdanP/PFXos //3wCemPw6A2bBWzAW09zO3/J3st2Zt/5nW+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=sxNfwNUY8EOu1cLopV3xN6AZKAC0t6PQ7+hWEqKChoN92T76k2pBJXjk8WScrFIe1T syWL7049J0quWhge/8Kna9MhnX/M6XBt7gd5s+Wryvl9c/5zHK/q0o9prUx29XcMyDvm cEGSAcdTlRfskjcYXgrxKYtiyJpqRu2e7A7O4= Original-Received: by 10.100.140.1 with SMTP id n1mr477375and.13.1229523443643; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:17:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.101.70.10 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:17:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874p135js1.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60734 Archived-At: ------=_Part_5051_8199449.1229523443593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I suspect that at some point, another editor, inspired by emacs, will > possibly replace emacs. Maybe it will use guile, common lisp or some > other extensible scripting language with more power than elisp. maybe it > will be designed form the ground up with support for all those things > now considered important that were not even on the horizon when emacs > was first being designed. This isn't a problem and to some extent is > just natural evolution. However, I can't see this happening for a long > time - it would take a lot of work to create a new editor from scratch > that had the power of emacs, but its not something to be feared. Rather, > its something to be embraced! > I sometimes think Eclipse is that editor. Of course it misses one of Emacs' strengths in that extending it is a rather heavy-weight process. This distinguishes it from systems like Emacs, SmallTalk, Oberon, which blur the line between development tool and platform far more than Eclipse manages to. > Until then, I'll continue to use emacs as the only editor I use and I > use it at least 10 hours Mon-Fri and a good 6+ hours sat and sun. If a > better alternative comes along, I'll adopt it. Until then.... > Here too, along with Eclipse (with Emacs keybindings). -- // Ben Smith-Mannschott ------=_Part_5051_8199449.1229523443593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I suspect that at some point, another editor, inspired by emacs, will
possibly replace emacs. Maybe it will use guile, common lisp or some
other extensible scripting language with more power than elisp. maybe it
will be designed form the ground up with support for all those things
now considered important that were not even on the horizon when emacs
was first being designed. This isn't a problem and to some extent is
just natural evolution. However, I can't see this happening for a long
time - it would take a lot of work to create a new editor from scratch
that had the power of emacs, but its not something to be feared. Rather,
its something to be embraced!

I sometimes think Eclipse is that editor. Of course it misses one of Emacs' strengths in that extending it is a rather heavy-weight process. This distinguishes it from systems like Emacs, SmallTalk, Oberon, which blur the line between development tool and platform far more than Eclipse manages to.
 
Until then, I'll continue to use emacs as the only editor I use and I
use it at least 10 hours Mon-Fri and a good 6+ hours sat and sun. If a
better alternative comes along, I'll adopt it. Until then....

Here too, along with Eclipse (with Emacs keybindings). 


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