From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Brodbeck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-/ and C-( not recognized in Terminal on Mac? Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: <240BE8A7-18BF-4F3C-AAED-D13451D43E65@u.washington.edu> References: <70b76d3d-f223-469b-b37b-3dad64be431d@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <922234F4-EF96-4EDE-9E4B-32E7B45213AC@gmail.com> <944364AF-7187-46A2-8379-DEB5743D824B@gmail.com> <6AF52276-DC56-4DE5-9372-8F7A9E03F348@Web.DE> <47502E5A.7020900@tiscali.nl> Reply-To: emacs list NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1275858844==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196458558 8478 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2007 21:35:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:35:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs list Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 30 22:36:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IyDWU-0001Qz-2Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:35:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyDWE-00067X-0M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IyDVx-00066q-2a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IyDVt-00066e-Ld for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyDVt-00066b-DG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.33.4]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IyDVs-0003wf-Sc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:09 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAULXqxv011847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:33:52 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [69.91.158.47] (D-69-91-158-47.dhcp4.washington.edu [69.91.158.47]) (authenticated authid=brodbd) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAULXqKa028076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:33:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: <47502E5A.7020900@tiscali.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.30.131500 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report='HTML_50_70 0.1, HTML_NO_HTTP 0.1, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49745 Archived-At: --===============1275858844== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--892108493 --Apple-Mail-7--892108493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 30, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Enno Fennema wrote: > I thought the fun of emulation is to emulate something, to do > neither more nor less. I don't know when the last VT100 was > manufactured but its specification is no longer capable of change. > The termcap file is quite specific what a terminal eg. a VT100 can > and cannot do. I don't think there are many terminal emulators left that emulate a VT-100 strictly. Most add some features a VT-100 didn't have (e.g., ANSI color, Unicode) and leave out some stuff that is rarely used or hard to implement (double-height mode, application-controlled keyboard LEDs, 132-column mode, etc.) Generally they're actually "emulating" some cross between a VT-100 and an ANSI terminal, or a VT-100 and an xterm. Actually, the most thorough VT-100 emulator I can remember ever using was the old MacOS serial terminal program Red Ryder. It *did* emulate double-height mode and keyboard LEDs, the latter via a pop-up window. David Brodbeck Information Technology Specialist 3 Computational Linguistics University of Washington --Apple-Mail-7--892108493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 30, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Enno Fennema = wrote:
I thought the = fun of emulation is to emulate something, to do neither more nor less. I = don't know when the last VT100 was manufactured but its specification is = no longer capable of change. The termcap file is quite specific what a = terminal eg. a VT100 can and cannot do.

I don't think there are = many terminal emulators left that emulate a VT-100 strictly. =A0Most add = some features a VT-100 didn't have (e.g., ANSI color, Unicode) and leave = out some stuff that is rarely used or hard to implement (double-height = mode, application-controlled keyboard LEDs, 132-column mode, etc.) = =A0Generally they're actually "emulating" some cross between a VT-100 = and an ANSI terminal, or a VT-100 and an xterm.

Actually, the most = thorough VT-100 emulator I can remember ever using was the old MacOS = serial terminal program Red Ryder. =A0It *did* emulate double-height = mode and keyboard LEDs, the latter via a pop-up = window.


David = Brodbeck
Information Technology Specialist = 3
Computational Linguistics
University of = Washington

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