From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rustom Mody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23b442cf-1a6d-4a58-8966-a880be2ddf10@googlegroups.com> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wqmzjvly.fsf@gmail.com> <985927b0-0d56-47f7-bfdb-ae1b1670d4b0@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378180814 31070 80.91.229.3 (3 Sep 2013 04:00:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 04:00:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 03 06:00:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGhmr-0003kq-7E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 06:00:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGhmq-0007WV-Kp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:00:16 -0400 X-Received: by 10.66.186.4 with SMTP id fg4mr9348946pac.33.1378180573663; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.92.100 with SMTP id cl4mr759235igb.8.1378180573325; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!pt2no48423904pbb.0!news-out.google.com!z6ni30971pbu.0!nntp.google.com!j7no110202qai.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.7.231; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.7.231 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 03:56:13 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200945 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93212 Archived-At: On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:14:47 AM UTC+5:30, W. Greenhouse wrote: > But modern GUIs do require study and experience to develop facility with > them. They just don't come with documentation, meaning that the study > is by rote only. Dunno what rote means then... Millions of kids today are buying phones -- thier firsts -- which are full-featured (ie Turing-complete) computers and using them without anything remotely like a manual. When I started teaching programming in the late-80s we used turbo-C and PC-scheme. The manuals were outstanding. And nobody dreamed of being able to use such stuff without non-trivial amount of study. The situation is reversed today -- the modern kid expects everything to run without study. This need not be a good thing -- the 'intuitive' interface may in fact be the stupid interface; does not change the fact that its the universal expectation.