From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll: best hackable window manager or DE for Emacs-loving freedom activists Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:40:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20211105074045.GA2483@tuxteam.de> References: <87fssbiicx.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5979"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 05 08:41:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mitrB-0001OM-7f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:41:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37016 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mitrA-0006CF-4C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 03:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mitqF-0006C4-Up for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 03:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:55173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mitqC-00077L-23 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 03:40:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=j1rowfaRLqRfsVV3PlAqzrRnN4+I41Sr3R4cW65YKdI=; b=etNQv1H7zgXf0+QdCsfVbMB2sNprJ4GYFlGtjz/Epndzb9eIw+JLVAtdp/5OYAkdoY5snmEeIA3ls2+CXTbrDlB8aSn2hCcbmKAI1lC8gjLgt2dzpCRpAgmteYcakZc/MECCBWH1Opo2M8w+xt8Aee7KQIcRMsZfDTrFHo0je5/EWHDLMQrnEDstolBsXDvxBKnwfL43bwJZEBdYlO1cioD2Y6StNZkej6U6lXGbCf5mn1Ni8ioGDLohSqwvKKGx6jd+Q9j7ibaWqKhisUyW7tmjFbKtnePFrHgBZ2zaLhUQGi4XRvzTDTLd90mXOTplSa0B05Ztxww5TjRnoreHig==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mitq9-0000rH-GC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:40:45 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87fssbiicx.fsf@disroot.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134365 Archived-At: --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 08:58:06PM -0300, Jorge P. de Morais Neto wrote: > Hi. I love digital ethics, GNU and Emacs! Which keyboard-driven > hackable window manager (WM) or desktop environment (DE) do you > recommend? I currently use GNOME 3 DE. Years ago I used Enlightenment, > Xfce and Fluxbox but then I migrated to GNOME to learn a good libre and > user friendly DE so I could assist unskilled users such as my family. [...] I did the whole tour (it has been a long ride), starting with TWM (gah!) and Olwm, GWM, some Fvwm incarnations, Gnome (up to 2-ish). When I was seeing the direction Gnome was taking, I wandered away, homeless tried blackbox, awesome (Lua scriptability was attractive, docs were so-so, tiling not my cup of tea), you name it. Since about ten years (take or give) it's Fvwm. I don't think I'm changing again. It does what it says on the tin. It's scriptable. It doesn't overreach. It works very well with "point to focus" (most of the above say they do, but it's very clear their developers don't quite use it). And... the most important to me: it treats their users as grown-up people, which I appreciate. It takes a bit of effort to wrap one's head around its config language, but then It Just Works. It has man pages! It's *not* a desktop environment, which I appreciate, too. Most of the key mapping stuff (Compose, language layers) I leave to X; I reserve one modifier for the WM (the "Windows" key, duh) for the WM to start important apps (Emacs, Xterm, what not) and move across workspaces and pages. But I'm weird. Cheers - t --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmGE3/0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZWlgCdFYpox43+bwS9BsQbhQxBJ/SO brkAmwYhGTPTCvEW8b988csvvO4mMQRL =5x90 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft--