From: tomas@tuxteam.de
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Appending lists
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:32:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210616093202.GC22979@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YMnAscZtlQlRC8Yr@protected.localdomain>
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On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:13:21PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote:
> * tomas@tuxteam.de <tomas@tuxteam.de> [2021-06-16 10:29]:
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 03:11:43AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
> > > tomas wrote:
> > >
> > > > (setq thing (copy-sequence '(one two three four five six)))
> > > > (setq thang (cddr thing))
> > > >
> > > > thang => (three four five six)
> > > >
> > > > (nreverse thing) => (six five four three two one)
> > > >
> > > > thing => (one)
> > > >
> > > > thang => (three two one)
> > > > ; now this is what I was after. Who the heck "changed my
> > > > ; variable!?" Who is General Failure and why is he reading
> > > > ; my disk?
> > >
> > > Well, let's see, `nreverse' has updated the data without
> > > setting the variables to whatever desired values they should
> > > take
> >
> > It can't. It's a function.
> >
> > Doing (foo x y) will *never* change "the variable x" -- unless
> > foo is a macro/special form.
>
> (setq list-1 '(1 2 3))
> (setq list-2 '(A B))
> (nconc list-1 list-2) ⇒ (1 2 3 A B)
> list-1 ⇒ (1 2 3 A B)
> nconc is a built-in function in ‘C source code’.
>
> So it obviously changes the variable `list-1' from (1 2 3) to (1 2 3 A
> B) -- how do you explain that?
No. A thousand times no. The variable list-1 contained a ref to some
cons cell (behind the scenes it's just a (perhaps tagged) pointer).
**THIS VARIABLE HASN'T CHANGED** after you did that nconc. The variable
list-1 still contains a ref to exactly the same cons cell.
What happens is that you changed the list somewhere downstream.
> So far I know from Common Lisp those functions starting with "n" are
> common with side effects.
Judging by what you write, I have the impression that you haven't
quite understood Common Lisp (this part works exactly the same
there). But I might be wrong and this a huge misunderstanding.
Cheers
- t
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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-14 16:36 Appending lists Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-14 16:40 ` henri-biard
2021-06-14 18:21 ` Alexandr Vityazev
2021-06-15 0:46 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15 8:27 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15 9:18 ` tomas
2021-06-16 1:11 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 7:28 ` tomas
2021-06-16 9:13 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 9:32 ` tomas [this message]
2021-06-16 10:55 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 16:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 18:00 ` Using Emacs for business Jean Louis
2021-06-16 22:59 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:39 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-17 0:16 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 7:09 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 3:22 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06 20:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 20:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-07 0:18 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 9:19 ` Appending lists Jean Louis
2021-06-16 9:35 ` tomas
2021-06-16 10:57 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 16:55 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 11:16 ` Yuri Khan
2021-06-16 11:30 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 11:54 ` tomas
2021-06-16 17:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 23:13 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:41 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 13:01 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-06-16 16:59 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 17:36 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 18:54 ` tomas
2021-06-16 21:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-06-16 23:25 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 7:16 ` tomas
2021-06-17 7:14 ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:19 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 11:49 ` [OT] Underground (was: Appending lists) tomas
2021-06-19 0:10 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:54 ` Appending lists Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 18:49 ` tomas
2021-06-16 21:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 22:35 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:02 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-17 0:00 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 7:20 ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:39 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:31 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 15:11 ` tomas
2021-06-16 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 15:48 ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:04 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 2:41 ` [OFFTOPIC] " Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 6:09 ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-17 6:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-17 23:53 ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-18 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-19 0:04 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19 1:20 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-06-19 2:18 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 15:07 ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-17 7:51 ` tomas
2021-06-17 7:50 ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:47 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19 6:52 ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:03 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:42 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:55 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-16 17:06 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 17:54 ` Drew Adams
2021-06-16 23:49 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 7:54 ` tomas
2021-06-17 12:41 ` [OFFTOPIC] " Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 14:19 ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:55 ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-17 3:18 Drew Adams
2021-06-17 7:48 ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:38 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-18 23:50 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19 6:57 ` tomas
2021-06-19 21:31 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-14 16:44 Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-15 0:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15 1:47 ` henri-biard
2021-06-15 7:09 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-14 16:24 Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-14 16:32 ` henri-biard
2021-06-14 16:08 henri-biard
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