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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Appending lists
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:28:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210616072819.GB17919@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87im2ewr3k.fsf@zoho.eu>

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On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 03:11:43AM +0200, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
> tomas wrote:
> 
> > (setq thing (copy-sequence '(one two three four five six)))
> > (setq thang (cddr thing))
> >
> > thang => (three four five six)
> >
> > (nreverse thing) => (six five four three two one)
> >
> > thing => (one)
> >
> > thang => (three two one)
> >   ; now this is what I was after. Who the heck "changed my
> >   ; variable!?" Who is General Failure and why is he reading
> >   ; my disk?
> 
> Well, let's see, `nreverse' has updated the data without
> setting the variables to whatever desired values they should
> take

It can't. It's a function.

Doing (foo x y) will *never* change "the variable x" -- unless
foo is a macro/special form.

> so what is left is the variables reference to the first
> data item (the car), after that tho 1 doesn't have a cdr
> anymore and 3 has '(2 1), not '(4 5 6).

You can put it this way... if you want to prevent yourself
from wrapping your head around it.

You should draw your box-and-pointer diagrams [1]. Then, you'd
get that talking about "the 3" is dangerous talk :)

> ?

What happens is that thing holds a reference to the cons cell
which makes up the original list (one two...).

Once nreverse runs over it, it just flips the pointers to point
the other way around. Now thing /still/ holds a reference to
that cons cell, but now it happens to be at the tail of the
(modified) list! Since it's a tail (now), it only "sees" one
element. What it doesn't see is that some other cons cell (one
whose car is "two" or thereabout) is pointing at it.

No, I won't draw the box-and-pointer diagrams for you. It's
something that, like riding a bicycle, is fun when you do it
yourself :-)

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)#Conses_and_lists

 - t

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-16  7:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-14 16:36 Appending lists Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-14 16:40 ` henri-biard
2021-06-14 18:21   ` Alexandr Vityazev
2021-06-15  0:46     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15  8:27       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15  9:18         ` tomas
2021-06-16  1:11           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16  7:28             ` tomas [this message]
2021-06-16  9:13               ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16  9:32                 ` tomas
2021-06-16 10:55                   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 16:44                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 18:00                       ` Using Emacs for business Jean Louis
2021-06-16 22:59                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:39                           ` Jean Louis
2021-06-17  0:16                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  7:09                               ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06  3:22                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06 20:23                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 20:41                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-07  0:18                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16  9:19               ` Appending lists Jean Louis
2021-06-16  9:35                 ` tomas
2021-06-16 10:57                   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 16:55                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 11:16                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-06-16 11:30                   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 11:54                     ` tomas
2021-06-16 17:31                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 23:13                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:41                           ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 13:01                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-06-16 16:59                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 17:36                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 18:54                         ` tomas
2021-06-16 21:24                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-06-16 23:25                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  7:16                               ` tomas
2021-06-17  7:14                             ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:24                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:19                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 11:49                   ` [OT] Underground (was: Appending lists) tomas
2021-06-19  0:10                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:54                 ` Appending lists Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 18:49                   ` tomas
2021-06-16 21:40                     ` Jean Louis
2021-06-16 22:35                       ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:02                         ` Jean Louis
2021-06-17  0:00                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:44                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  7:20                           ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:39                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 23:31                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 14:22               ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 15:11                 ` tomas
2021-06-16 15:31                   ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 15:48                     ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:04                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  2:41                       ` [OFFTOPIC] " Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  6:09                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-17  6:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-17 23:53                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-18 14:15                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-19  0:04                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19  1:20                                   ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-06-19  2:18                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19  2:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 15:07                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-17  7:51                         ` tomas
2021-06-17  7:50                       ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:47                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19  2:35                           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19  6:52                             ` tomas
2021-06-16 23:03                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:42               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 16:55                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-16 17:06                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-16 17:54                     ` Drew Adams
2021-06-16 23:49                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17  7:54                         ` tomas
2021-06-17 12:41                           ` [OFFTOPIC] " Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-17 14:19                             ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:55                           ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-17  3:18 Drew Adams
2021-06-17  7:48 ` tomas
2021-06-18 23:38   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-18 23:50   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-19  6:57     ` tomas
2021-06-19 21:31       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-14 16:44 Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-15  0:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-15  1:47   ` henri-biard
2021-06-15  7:09     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-14 16:24 Pierpaolo Bernardi
2021-06-14 16:32 ` henri-biard
2021-06-14 16:08 henri-biard

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