From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ?
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 22:28:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190608202831.GA17290@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d0jnooh4.fsf@telefonica.net>
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On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 09:40:07PM +0200, Óscar Fuentes wrote:
> <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 04:30:14PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
[...]
> > Well said. The only one stepping forward with some code was Stefan,
> > and personally, I find it a bit discouraging
>
> What I find discouraging is this phrase on the above quoted message:
>
> >> ... Suffices it to say that several times during the recent years
> >> when we needed to make seemingly-simple changes and fixes in that
> >> code, no one had the courage to approve such changes.
>
> I'm sure that that is not Eli's intention, but encouraging it is not.
It's expected. Big software organisms are like that. Try hacking
on Mozilla, or Eclipse, or...
I think Emacs fares quite well compared to that, more so given its
age.
> > that folks just keep
> > saying what "Emacs Should Do" without investing much effort into
> > understanding what's there and what other users need/want.
>
> Care to explain how the proposed change would take away from you?
I think I explained that twice. Won't repeat.
> > Software development is a collective effort, and it takes listening
> > as well as talking, I think.
>
> I listened as hard as I can, and still don't understand why you react
> this way to this issue, when several times we explicitly said that
> nothing would change on the default behavior.
Sorry if I hurt you in any way.
Cheers
-- tomás
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-06 4:49 Ctrl-[ ? Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 12:58 ` Ralph Seichter
2019-06-06 13:42 ` tomas
2019-06-06 14:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 14:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 15:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 18:29 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 23:26 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:35 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 11:43 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 22:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-08 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 14:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-07 3:36 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 4:30 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 4:43 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 5:04 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 8:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 8:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 13:19 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 13:54 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 14:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 15:17 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 16:30 ` tomas
2019-06-08 0:05 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08 0:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 8:44 ` tomas
2019-06-08 11:48 ` 조성빈 via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08 11:56 ` tomas
2019-06-08 13:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 13:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 13:54 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 14:03 ` tomas
2019-06-08 14:22 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 0:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-09 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 6:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 13:58 ` tomas
2019-06-08 19:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 20:28 ` tomas [this message]
2019-06-08 21:03 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08 21:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-09 0:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 1:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-18 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-11 23:05 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-14 6:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:06 ` [offtopic] " Van L
2019-06-14 12:24 ` tomas
2019-06-15 9:12 ` Van L
2019-06-15 9:44 ` tomas
2019-06-15 12:38 ` Van L
2019-06-09 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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