From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 18:08:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> References: <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="17665"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 02:08:26 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTxl4-0004RQ-9E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 02:08:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45014 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTxl2-0006Vv-IC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:08:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTxkl-0006Vo-Oq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTxkk-0001ks-1J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:08:07 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:48976) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTxkj-0001k0-Rd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 20:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C69AE for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77BA2114A for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BC60F2DC7D; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120600 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs wrote: >... I am going to need to change my reply filters to fix those up or it is going to annoy me forever. Emanuel Berg wrote: > "The sender" - you mean me, well, my e-mail > service provider, anyway? So Zoho is incorrect > blaming Gmail? Zoho definitely should not be blaming Gmail. Zoho has instructed Gmail to reject any mail from zoho.com that is being relayed through mailing lists. Or anywhere else either. $ dig _dmarc.zoho.eu txt +short "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" Previously Gmail, Yahoo, others did not enforce this instruction. They now do. This is one of those things that takes two agents to cooperate in the action. The sender must set a strict dmarc policy. The receiver must strictly enforce the dmarc policy. If either does not then the mail is delivered. If *both* do then the mail is rejected. Earlier Yahoo turned on strict enforcement. More recently Gmail turned on strict enforcement. Here are some references to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC And I pretty much agree with: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/kL24edUthAOuHuwK3ZnpFkCXduI > Ha! I always cause problems here! First it was > the Usenet newsgroup (gnu.emacs.help, breaking > threads), and now this. Interesting also that > Usenet and Zoho probably are as far as two > things can be from each other... Someone must do the destructive testing. :-) Bob