From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:47:41 +0200 Message-ID: <20190515194741.vlvva6eqqrccccm7@Ergus> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <46f308ff-5a70-8ccc-310b-48167088ff5a@yandex.ru> <87woirsvdb.fsf@telefonica.net> <87sgtfsswd.fsf@telefonica.net> <76f6370c-e8b7-bc59-634c-c48ea7af7f70@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="152343"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: =?utf-8?B?w5NzY2Fy?= Fuentes , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 15 21:48:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzsl-000dWA-Dq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:48:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41622 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzsk-0000Lk-6f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzsV-0000Le-4x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzsU-0002lW-0g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic308-18.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.178.146]:37124) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQzsT-0002ko-RG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:47:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1557949667; bh=38wAPPIM9Lqrz8TpyBnBrQGEUNZ8Qx0BlZ0Ks3eoQN8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=T/5YQbH2a6uUrcugXymN5ecVd2GO77IoW+RIILo4ne7aQe0zdEI8UbXAUICPAgBD2dCqSJaOENB1Uz2OCX3fw9hMrLS6rUTy8rmBvj08P23f2Nlih0rzTYRfM2ALgvPM3LDrRGc8QOS6xqdp2JYxaluDZard1WGpSSqxPKQCdWTEV4aLuoR4UuVZMDwexo9u+8+3X811uQVRjKZWuq3S/QMClsBHcl0ufo3YHtm+CXAwGtaxCB7b8Qa3YJ7DRlTiJI3v16IkNtT/A5+59/PYBZfL/jgc93hIesdLUr8LU2Gao+mXFsM7anFQgjRiGyftyUpRWm5t1SA+KYuyqNRlyQ== X-YMail-OSG: 0ji8uA8VM1mnD9A_6RTzIlRh5MIDSYYSIapcBbUVMhVMgyjQti8xYtl7GXjsdcY ImlDhrVADqqu3R4fiwdtFa244rMsVGy_.3uYbR2oOzImwgK1IjE9esqJsShfCrio0JAK6fhwQyCb Dqkv7dJuoqfBWEE.Mrj14HB6L8moi1aiFUsRjt.h.W7m2WMMuK3MDV6hyfW9zt3lcI0U61RV9f6y bpIacA1GosOJhm5UyLUXrnz9xzaCI7bNcX1su_9B73iW9B8pVAqIAO4oR0AjTr8efqv6ZBWvF36h 3geNk5_XW.hitdG5_w1Wzb2DGUMoxyGjMA0c8B_aPm25Qw4esLbciNIEuHseOMnIh27DgCFj9w45 QfW.V5CyykyaOJBTtAPm2DJ65LADRDwnrWkVIgk6OD_dIJd5Qz0ndm.Ug7QFQOEX9eWJOB79laqM GFBNRlw2KTEsuuoIk8ZS4nvQh0apvNIqQa0g5Rjraz9_qmR82_qPCsR3_AeFbIGWqUrjYs7coKFG oUN6qU8hA9Nex1uJ8uosj1uJKKquFXXpIdPOmJx2RwEcMNL1CDJx4m0szTzJnu5OJiLtCjtFgmTp KTTedXKyjULd8BkJMdqqhvkWYhKgnBxGoaihtmGMqBmvIwVujKNbAFMfQK05kmXiiQVkv.jamR6O phBtshYA5UVxm3Wb3znkbiahZ3AERVfQ235KlPYmwjiS1Tnllng_Av0ga0rw8pKgllbVAdInlkcA JeEgOiwg.XMFXxQKLoMD4IBuY1kZtmrFYHjPvuOK7EGhvbyw- Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:47:47 +0000 Original-Received: from 2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com (EHLO Ergus) ([2.152.205.184]) by smtp424.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 045117db8cc828f653ab31e1351072f1; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <76f6370c-e8b7-bc59-634c-c48ea7af7f70@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 77.238.178.146 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120414 Archived-At: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 05:45:48PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >On 15.05.2019 17:18, �scar Fuentes wrote: > >>comment-dwin != comment-region > >Is the latter better frequently enough? If yes, why don't we have it >in other modes? > >>In principle, fixing those would be beneficial. OTOH, forcing existing >>users to adapt just for the cause of coherence with modes they don't use >>is not desirable either. > >It's an investment in the future. Future users, at least. Or existing >users who use some major modes and would benefit from consistency when >trying out new ones. E.g. I don't use CC Mode often, and when I do, >it's a whole new universe. > +1000 points to this comment from my side. >>I think I already explained the issue, but I'll put it this way: what >>you would do about C-c C-c on C-Mode and how that would help their >>users? > >Pretty much what you suggested. Remove the binding and mention that in >NEWS, together with the existing alternative. > >Some users might be upset, most won't care, and some will be educated >about the better alternative. The binding would also be freed for some >feature in the future, like C-REPL maybe. >