From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 19:01:34 +0200 Message-ID: <20190511170134.GA16512@tuxteam.de> References: <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <04187AB9-AD7D-492D-A890-BCB01848370C@icloud.com> <20190511075712.GD29829@tuxteam.de> <4E2A3EE4-7390-4005-AB84-0D518319C585@icloud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="184614"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 11 19:01:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNl-000ltG-Ut for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 19:01:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33277 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNl-0000IA-14 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 13:01:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59163) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNZ-0000I3-Cu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 13:01:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNX-0006q4-67 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 13:01:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:37868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNW-0006nI-NK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 13:01:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Xr7zqHqlh+r2U8cstYERwUtC5d70OxFs4dntqCJ8MNc=; b=ZJ4qMS1fx2rdi/eCJj2euDbhVqNy66lHuZaiDhmK9sw/fjf1NU4IrB4u8peE6jBI5VMP5SOlsDjm2jkaOSWm444NvYz4du/MZY61rGchAMvaP/NCKVl/lUrmVcgP0q9IJI4csPuGMjsX/tT7MNzxZaMoroQuTjOprCcM5cR+pFMjEbrdu9FXknySkZJ2aFEORvDeCjssDY2VvKf7L7/S00UvSokqEAYC3Yk2la/USl0se38Sxpz7h9NB202ImU5eLxWDwzKzgyOoS/jJdDNk0RzZBeEqEyOzesW2hCJZ3OU14EZ8E9FM4dq3WqzaBr70BN2YFns9OByt0ArfO5gzwA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hPVNO-0004OF-On; Sat, 11 May 2019 19:01:34 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E2A3EE4-7390-4005-AB84-0D518319C585@icloud.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120301 Archived-At: --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:30:55PM +0900, =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 wrote: >=20 > 2019. 5. 11. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 4:57, tomas@tuxteam.de =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: >=20 > >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 04:42:44PM +0900, =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 = wrote: > >> I understand your points; but IMHO Elisp is not doing well in all kind= s of aspects, Isn=E2=80=99t it?=CC=8A=CC=88 > >=20 > > (quoting myself): > >=20 > >>> What I don't like about this thread is that "fast" is being > >>> treated as the only metrics (it isn't) > >=20 > > Accessibility/hackability: elisp is doing pretty well in this > > one (and efficient compilation does put a burden on that). >=20 > Javascript? Common Lisp? PyPy(Implementation of Python)? What's the last time you hacked the innards of those? ;-) IOW: I was talking also about accessibility/hackability "down the stack". Cheers -- tom=C3=A1s --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlzW/+4ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYMOQCfV9TtmdkKCcC9ZfLX79QsMZ+s 0pcAn2GguXzKxG7TpKnlhgdlqD6/piHe =JKlp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V--