From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20190218235212897068649@bob.proulx.com> References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> <20190218134228038359383@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="261004"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 08:02:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gvzQ9-0015jk-0Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:02:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42930 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvzQ7-0001fJ-TL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 02:02:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59091) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvzPp-0001fB-MP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 02:02:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvzPo-00030z-9H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 02:02:05 -0500 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:44284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvzPo-0002uZ-1Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 02:02:04 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C121D4 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:01:52 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF6B21174 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:01:51 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 075722DC7E; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:01:50 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119461 Archived-At: Nate Bass wrote: > I observed 3 different behaviors when reporting spam in Gmail. Don't > worry, I did not report any GNU mailing lists :) Awesome! :-) > When reporting this current message (help-gnu-emacs) as spam Gmail > will prompt first whether you want to "Unsubscribe and report spam" or > "Report spam". Again, I did not click anything on this dialog so > help-gnu-emacs will be unaffected. Unsubscribing redirects you to > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs. There is also a link That is the List-Unsubscribe header specified URL. Good. > to "learn more" at https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1366858?hl=en Also reasonable but that documentation answer looked old and stale as it did not mention the new behavior of unsubscribing. Guessing that the behavior was updated to unsubscribe but all of the nooks and crannies where documentation such as the above was stuff has not been updated. > When reporting other lists (for example bug-make) it prompts the > same dialog except it will not give a link to unsubscribe. Instead, > it will send a message to bug-make-request with a subject of > "unsubscribe" and a body of "This message was automatically > generated by Gmail." There is no difference between bug-make and help-gnu-emacs as both are on the same server running the same software. The only difference I can think of here is if you were subscribed using different addresses for one than the other causing Gmail to think you were subscribed for one but not for the other. Or something like that. Because they are otherwise identically run. Please look at the message headers and see if they are different coming to you. I think the Gmail interface is the more actions or something where it says "show original message" or something similarly worded. > Oddly, when I reported w3c-announce@w3.org it did not prompt anything > and went directly to spam. Please check the headers of that message too. Perhaps that one did not have the standard List-* headers and did not have a List-Unsubscribe header? If not then there would have been no way for automated machinery to know. But on the other hand if those do exist for that message than that is strange that it would be different. Thanks for the report! Good stuff. Bob