From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:56:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20190218134228038359383@bob.proulx.com> References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="269109"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 18 21:57:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gvpyX-0017u0-ME for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:57:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36567 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvpyW-0005gt-Jo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:57:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45961) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvpyJ-0005gm-8R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:57:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvpyI-0004ts-A0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:57:03 -0500 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:60082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gvpyI-0004tc-3d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E0821E for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:57:00 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A4821260 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:57:00 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFE972DC7E; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:56:59 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119449 Archived-At: Skip Montanaro wrote: > A couple things here. I help manage mail.python.org. We do (or at > least used to) see lots of messages which look like what you describe, > but coming from abuse@yahoo.com. Recently Yahoo started enforcing DKIM in a restrictive way that blocks mailing list traffic to Yahoo subscribers. I am away from my notes at the moment so won't try to describe the details further now. But a lot of people with Yahoo addresses have been suffering due to their recent DKIM policy. > I don't think laziness stops at the gmail.com boundary. ;-) Agreed! It was Gmail just recently but people are people everywhere! > Of perhaps more interest, when I report spam mail sent to a mailing > list to which I subscribe, Gmail will generally ask if I want to > unsubscribe to the list as well, or just report the message as spam. That would be nice if that is how it works. I know it didn't at one time but time passes and features are added and that would be a nice way to do things now. Hopefully they do. > If that's a general feature of how Gmail works and not just > this-feature-is-special-for-Skip, the laziness of the subscriber > wielding the mouse would be pretty astounding. Has anyone @gmail.com used that feature recently and are able to comment if that is how it is done now? It would be interesting to know. Please do not try it with help-gnu-emacs as a test or we will be in trouble all over again! But someone who has happened upon the task naturally with a real spam message from a mailing list would be the best case for information. However I think it does not make sense to report spam that came through a mailing list as spam to the email service provider used to *read* the mail. Since that will only block the entire mailing list, or not. And one being subscribed to the mailing list is expected to get mail from it. The place to report spam on a mailing list is to the mailing list administrators so that the anti-spam can be improved there. I say improved not solved. Unfortunately there is no complete solution to spam because it is a people problem, spammers are people, and being people are very clever. People will always think of something new. But we can hopefully keep spam down to the level where it is not a serious problem. For example the gnu.org lists I think have quite a good level of anti-spam. Therefore I simply file mail from mailing lists into my mailbox and don't use any anti-spam on the receving end of my mailbox for them. If you do find a spam problem on a gnu.org list please do make a report of it to mailman AT gnu.org where we can know about it and look into it. Bob