From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:14:53 -0600 Message-ID: <20180920180910704706461@bob.proulx.com> References: <861s9wdytg.fsf@zoho.com> <86worocffa.fsf@zoho.com> <86o9czder0.fsf@zoho.com> <86in36df2x.fsf@zoho.com> <86efdud83a.fsf@zoho.com> <86a7oicu8u.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537488805 18847 195.159.176.226 (21 Sep 2018 00:13:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 00:13:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 21 02:13:21 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g394Q-0004lV-JJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 02:13:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g396W-0001tY-RP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59177) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3962-0001tH-DS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:14:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g395z-0001wM-Ac for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:14:58 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:59416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g395z-0001vC-4n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:14:55 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019A32385 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B1921244 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C69A2DC74; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86a7oicu8u.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117961 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > So maybe the comment of Rmail being the > "primary" mail-reader for Emacs was a stretch, > because he, for the wrong reason, felt the need > to defend it? When I was using emacs-rmail back in the 1990s it was the only mailer client available as I recall. And it used Babyl format files only at that time. But then emacs-vm appeared and I switched to using emacs-vm and found it a lot better for many reasons. I didn't look at the version history but back in those earlier days I think rmail was considered the standard emacs mail reader. Here it is 30 years later and I am no longer using either but have been using mutt happily for years. And I have had similar experiences with gnus for, well, newsgroups. I am currently using gnus to read news but I don't really like it. It is very arcane by comparison to other newsreaders that I have used. And here I am quite a hard core long time emacs user but I don't find gnus to be a very good interface. I am just trying to use it because it is a long term emacs interface. But I find doing even simple things quite difficult to impossible. I would never recommend gnus for email. Bob